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Addition of the City of San Francisco removed.[edit]

It is clear to anyone who studies the vast, massive mixed Douglass Fir and Coast Redwood forests of Northern-MOST California, especially beginning in Mendocino, and continuing through Humboldt and Del Norte Counties up to the Oregon border, that these areas are much more PNW than they are Southwest (or California for that matter). This is true not just geographically, but also culturally and in terms of the fact that timber at least was King (though nothing has really replaced the exhausted forests of the area, economically). From this North Coast area of California with its many rivers, it is easy to follow the lines of Cascadia (see map delineating the region in the article) in an easterly direction through the rugged, mountainous terrain of Trinity, Siskiyou, and other similar counties generally east of the area up over the top of the Central Valley (it may or may not include Redding, CA as the Northernmost tip of the Great Central Valley as the elevation and character of the Valley changes just south of Red Bluff). Continuing on, this vast PNW/Cascadia (rural and sparsely populated) area of California is still mostly forested and mountainous, and includes the southern end of the Cascades themselves (of course, Mt. Shasta and extends south toward Lassen) all the way to the Nevada border for the most part. All of these areas, for a multitude of "easy" reasons, are very PNW. BUT to include San Francisco or the Greater San Francisco Bay Area or any portion of region (with the only exception being a narrow coastal portion of Marin and Sonoma Counties) starting from Wine Country and continuing south to and beyond the Golden Gate is going TOO far. There is no way that San Francisco is in the Pacific Northwest, even by broad definitions, not geographically, not culturally, not at all. Norcalal (talk) 08:16, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

I've heard that before, and sillier; the name dates back to Spanish times and was coined to mean everything north of California i.e. the 42nd parallel; Eureka gets joined in because of the cultural affinities and the rain....Shasta is kinda unique but is in some views connected; but for PNWers Grants Pass (the pass not the town) is clearly the natural frontier (unles it's Siskiyou Pass I'm meaning, where I-5 begins its descent from Ashland/Medford etc....which coincides with the actual California border at the 42nd Parallel....Skookum1 (talk) 16:43, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Demographics[edit]

Somehow missing any mention of the largest group...whites. Not to mention it isn't focused on raw data, instead seems like commentary in place of quantitative data. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.251.87.103 (talk) 01:50, 21 June 2013 (UTC)