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Needs references and MAJOR revision[edit]

This article has improved steadily, but really needs work as it is still a mess. There was only one reference listed; I tried to add several more, but folks who have access to original texts could seriously improve the quality of the article by referencing them. Anyone who has access to references for this article, please appropriately document things.

The overall tone of this article is written from the point of view of a worshipper; it needs to be revised for encyclopedic tone in a big way. As it stands, much of it is unsupported, tonally inferior and could be easily deleted. I am certain that someone out there is attatched enough to the topic to fix this and make it appropriate for wikipedia standards of tone.

I deleted the "easy Sloka to learn" not because it might not have merit, but because A) no translation was provided, b)the relevance to this article was not made clear, and c)Wikipedia is not a prayer learning site, but an encyclopedia. If one wishes to include Sloka or other literary sources, please REFERENCE them and document in a non-biased fashion why they are relevant to the article as a whole. Otherwise, put them in a separate article.

This is a valuable article. Let's make it better. Transcendentalstate (talk) 13:27, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Other dieties[edit]

Sri Padmanabha swami temple doesnt have any saivite dieties (still ganapathi is not included in that catagory). Shiva is only in the dias under the arm of perumal. a dias for subrahmania is also not there to my knowledge(And I strongly believe so). I've removed these things.

In the eastern entrance, near flag post, hanuman and garuda are there.

Santhoshj 13:09, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Ettuvettil Pillamar and Ettara Yogam[edit]

Nothing is mentioned about the true rulers of Sree Padmanabha Temple.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.236.136.18 (talk) 11:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

The scientific reference of the Valampiri Sangu given is not correct. Valampiri Sangu is a Sinistral Variety of the Indian Conch Turbinella pyrum L. The History part mentions it as a Dextral Shell. Valampiri is not a Dextral Conch, it is a Sinistral Conch. Dextral conch is known as Idampiri or Idampuri (Tamil). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.163.216.80 (talk) 06:46, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

The author conveniently removed all references to origin of temple relating to pandiyan kingdom , who constructed the temple. Only outer wall follows kerala style, everything inside follow pandiyan architectural style, there are thousands of such temple decorate skyline of tamilnadu is proof for this. By the how many "Thiru" named places(Thiruvanandhapuram) are in Kerala(Thiruchy,Thirumanur,Thirunelveli,Thiruthani,Thiruvarur,Thiruvengadam,Thirumazhabadi,Thiruchirrampazham,...)Also the temple has an imposing 100 feet seven tier Gopuram covered with beautiful stone carvings was built according to Pandian style. The temple has a broad corridor with 324 sculptured pillars and an 80 feet high golden flag staff. The walls of the temple are covered with interesting mural paintings depicting mythical stories. The Kulasekharamandapam(from the name of pandiyan king Kulasekhara pandiyan), the main platform inside the temple is beautiful and regal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thanaraj.kailasam (talkcontribs) 02:03, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

The temple as it is seen today(with Gopuram) was built only during the reign of Dharmaraja. It is not true that it was from Pandya kingdom. Please read the given citations in the article. -- Aarem (Talk) 12:25, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Photo[edit]

This article needs a photo.

There are no treasure photos yet.--Mike18xx (talk) 22:07, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Sloka and Paasuram[edit]

The section on "Easy Sloka and Paasuram" seems irrelevant to the article. I don't see the point in adding a section on a salutation verse to a deity on the page about the temple. Not to mention, there are several typographic errors in the sloka, plus no cited source. Bark4nai 08:02, 1 December 2007 (UTC)PANASELVAM

lakhs of billions of worth treasure unearthed from sacred chambers of the temple making it one of the, if not the richest temples in the world.[edit]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13994351

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle08.asp?xfile=data/international/2011/June/international_June1195.xml&section=international

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/nation/south/lord-padmanabha-kerala-now-richer-lord-balaji-tirupati-067

116.202.151.158 (talk) 04:08, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

The BBC says, "Unofficial estimates say that the treasure discovered so far over four days of inspections may be valued at more than 25 billion rupees ($500m)", so why do we have $11 billion and $25 billion as its worth? Ericoides (talk) 07:19, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Kindly have a look at this The value of its gold, diamond and other precious metals at close to Rs 1 lakh crore.- Economic Times., -- Even as priceless treasures found from cellars of Sree Padmanabhaswamy temple here is estimated to be around Rs 90000 crore - MSN India
kind of surprised mercenaries don't mount a military mission to steal the treasure — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mongreilf (talkcontribs) 21:46, 3 July 2011
It seems they are very good at securing treasures. The Hindi temples have existed for hundreds of years and many of them must have a few tons of gold. --Marc Kupper|talk 04:33, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Isn't this enough to feed all of India's poor for over a month? 189.204.37.131 (talk) 18:04, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

What do they eat next month? </sarc> ;-) Seriously though, where do you get the right to steal? --Mike18xx (talk) 22:06, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Don't be dense, what I mean is that this money could be used to build needed infrastructure to get people out of poverty. And really, it's idiotic to have a temple full of gold when people are starving outside. Same goes for catholic churches full of gold artifacts in third world countries filled with drug violence. 189.204.37.131 (talk) 15:48, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
The purpose of the Talk page is to discuss ways to improve the article, NOT to present editors' views about the temple or the poor people of India. Wanderer57 (talk) 00:55, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Chronology is wrong.[edit]

"In July 2011 a review of the temple's underground vaults... was begun. ...unofficial estimates on the sixth day of the inventory placed the value..."

Since today is July 3rd, a review that began in July cannot be at its sixth day. Perhaps someone can fix this.

(I'm not being bold on this because I don't think I should edit news items.) Wanderer57 (talk) 14:22, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Per this article the work started on June 27, 2011. Other reports, such as about the sixth day of work, have been consistent with this starting date. --Marc Kupper|talk 20:27, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Unintelligible number[edit]

I understand that "lakh" is some kind of large number used in India, and I assume "crore" is some kind of money, or maybe another word for a number in India, but what is "&#20B9;1" intended to mean in the "Treasure trove" section in the sentence "On 3 July, the total stands at &#20B9;1 lakh crore (US $22 billion).?" Edison (talk) 15:38, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

20B9 is a very new Unicode value for the new Indian rupee symbol. See this article. It is not implemented on any of the fonts on my computer and I'd imagine it's a rare machine in the English world that would have a gyph at this position yet. Use this page to test to see if any of the fonts on your computer have the symbol. The correct way to insert the rupee symbol in Wikipedia articles is "{{INR}}" which inserts "INR". --Marc Kupper|talk 01:46, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
This is the English language Wikipedia, so content should be in English, or if in other language, should have a translation. I suggest that contributors to this article link to an explanation when they use any non-English numbers, and that currency names be simply written in English, rather than inserting computer code for some symbol. Even with the explanation, the sentence is unclear. Edison (talk) 06:31, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
I've put in a suggestion to the template maintainers to make INR so that it links to Indian rupee. The issue for the template is something like "$10 dollars" looks silly to us. It's either "$10" or "10 dollars". Their choices were to display "INR 300" or "300 rupees." They chose to use the version with "INR" which also simplifies the logic as they don't need to special case "1 rupee." The downside of linking the symbol is that it's not obvious. This INR is linked. --Marc Kupper|talk 00:52, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Erotic Sculpture Claim[edit]

A travel blog by Indian blogger "Nitin" [1] appears to be the only English-language source of this claim (although my googling was not exceptionally deep), but believe credible (if not considered "reliable") since the blogger himself visited the temple after first adopting Indian dress to pass himself as Hindi (easy enough for him, one assumes, being a native). "Nitin"'s entry on his visit remarked upon the lack of internet mention of the temple's erotic sculpture, which he described as "very explicit". -- Have restored the sentence regarding erotic sculpture, and added a verification-needed tag.--Mike18xx (talk) 21:18, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Erotic sculpture claim moved to Gopuram section (since other architectural aspects are discussed there).--Mike18xx (talk) 21:27, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
blogs are not considered reliiable source> WP:RS. Unless you find a valid source, don't readd this claim.--Malaikaran (talk) 22:56, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Malaikaran, would it be reasonable of me to include a citation-needed tag after every single sentence in the article which does not end in a ref-note? And then, if one is not provided within minutes, delete the sentence? Hey, kids! Let's all do that right now! (And the article suddenly shrinks to a tenth its current size.) -- That's what you're (or whomever) is doing. Note that I did not list the source the last time (it is only given here).
Q. Does anyone have any particular reason to doubt this claim, given that dozens of Indian temples are known to contain erotic sculpture, if not outright festooned with it? If you have no reason to doubt it, then there is no pressing reason to yoink the assertion. Why not instead leave a perfectly reasonable claim up, with a cite tag, and give other editors a chance to find a better source? This is why the tags have dates -- so that a probably-true-but-unsupported entry can be deleted after a reasonable amount of time has passed. There are many statements in many articles which have had cite tags for months, even years, because editor after editor examining the article considered the claim to be very likely true even though they personally could not verify it.--Mike18xx (talk) 03:21, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
I checked The Hindu Temple: Deification of Eroticism and it appears that sometimes we have erotic sculptures in the temples. It does not seem commonplace. Padmanabhaswamy is not mentioned in the table of contents, index, nor did "search inside this book" find any mention. The blogger's post is a fairly interesting article. I have no reason to doubt his impressions but as it was an exceptional claim I'd rather it be documented in a reliable source and then we can add the material about the sculptures to this article. --Marc Kupper|talk 05:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
Erotic sculpture second source:[2]. I submit that the claim is now sufficiently credible to merit mention.--Mike18xx (talk) 21:49, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
Photographic evidence, from the outside of the building (see lower left).[3],[4]. I am re-adding the text.--Mike18xx (talk) 22:26, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
Well, i do not find sculptures that can be defined as erotic from the photographs given. The photograph does show eroticism, but none of the sources are Reliable and Verifiable. So let's cut the statement until an academically valid source is found.
Or you should provide verifiable citations from "The Hindu Temple: Deification of Eroticism" or give evidence that the Flickr photographs are from this temple itself. Many news agencies will now be looking towards wikipedia as this temple wasn't much popular until recently. So we do not want unverified info that some of the fourth estate might copy and then get mirrored to academic writings. Arjuncodename024 02:25, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Google books gets a number of hits for Padmanabhaswamy or Padmanabha swamy. I did not find any mention of erotic works in a scan of the descriptions of the temple. For example, in this book a Christian women tours the temple as part of her own spiritual search. A Wikipedia policy to keep in mind is WP:UNDUE. There are hundreds of descriptions of the temple available that do not mention erotic works. One blogger reports seeing them and wonders why no one ever talks about them. Another blogger mentions "vulgar eroticism" near the end of a long post about the temple. A photograph of the outside shows one, and possibly two, erotic works among the hundreds that are visible in the photograph. Are there erotic works on or in this temple? Apparently so. Do those works define this temple? Apparently not, according to the hundreds of descriptions of the temple that have been published. --Marc Kupper|talk 09:45, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Bloody hilarious. -- You guys know this is likely 98% true (given three disparate sources), but are adamantly unwilling to just put up a <verify> tag. Meanwhile, if some hack journalist at a fishwrap rag mentions it, then it's suddenly instantly "reputable" -- even if Fishwrap Rag is just a glorified blog side of a dying print industry. Up to you, I guess, whether or not this place is worth a damn. (Where were you hyper-strict dudes a couple months ago when I was virtually alone trying to haul back the Steve Pieczenik spampuff page to something remotely resembling credulity?) --Mike18xx (talk) 11:49, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Unfortunately, what you wrote is true. Fortunately, many hack journalists use Wikipedia as their "source" meaning if we have a good signal-to-noise ratio in our articles it lowers the chances of junk appearing in the hack-news and other then insist it *must* be in Wikipedia as it's in "reliable sources." Overall, the consensus amongst the people that have visited the temple (either inside or outside) is they don't mention the erotic works. Apparently at Khajuraho Group of Monuments ten percent of the work on the outside of some (many?) of the temples is erotic and as a result is has been mentioned by the "consensus" of the visitors and others writing about those temples. I was curious about one statement in the article which is "The Khajuraho temples do not contain sexual or erotic art inside the temple or near the deities." The two bloggers mentioned erotic works inside Padmanabhaswamy. Hopefully, this becomes a subject of academic interest and then we'll have great sources. --Marc Kupper|talk 21:27, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Personally i am not so convinced this could be true. If there were a Hindu temple in Kerala depicting sexually overt sculptures, that would have been well discussed in scholastic circles; and academic sources would not have been hard to find. Photography is strictly banned inside the temple, and if any photograph arises claiming to be of the inside, we will have to a bit skeptic about that. Well, I agree with Mike and Marc on hack-journalists and Wikipedia :) Arjuncodename024 10:17, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

First line-"Malayalam": Request correction.[edit]

The very first line of text gives the name in Malayalam. However, the name is actually given in Hindi. Please, can somebody put in the Malayalam text?

In this case, it may be appropriate to provide the name in Malayalam, Sanskrit and Hindi. ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.76.134.90 (talk) 04:49, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't know how to get Malayalam to display for most users of the English Wikipedia. "ശ്രീ പദ്മനാഭസ്വാമി ക്ഷേത്രം" displays for me as a series of blocks containing the Unicode character values and not glyphs. --Marc Kupper|talk 05:14, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
Someone e-mailed me a link to ml:To Read in Malayalam. Thank you. From that I realized the Malayalam display issue was more likely to be related to how my computer is set up. I fixed it on my machine and also checked the Malayalam title on other machines where it displays fine. I've restored the article to use Malayalam as that's the principle language for Thiruvananthapuram plus included the Tamil translation someone had provided. I decided to not include the Hindi translation as that's not a common language in this region. --Marc Kupper|talk 07:08, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
we only need the native language as transliteration. The temple is natively known as "śṟī padmaṉābhasvāmi kṣētṟaṁ" in Malayalam. This is a Malayalam word as such. Arjuncodename024 08:05, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
I agree that the Tamil transliteration would be appropriate as it is spoken widely in the area from what i gather, natural for being part of the Tamil territory for large periods of its history and is known as the Thiruvananthapuram Pathmanabhaswamy Kovil in scriptures. Being built in the medieval Dravidian architectural style of course warrants it, but either way, I think the article would survive just fine with Malayalam.Lifebonzza (talk) 08:27, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
There is no way the addition of Tamil can be justified in the article. The native language of Thrivunanthapuram is Malayalam and only Malayalam. There might be a small minority that speaks Tamil, that in no way makes a case to add Tamil transliteration. The temple definitely is in Kovil architecture. The proper name is "śṟī padmaṉābhasvāmi kṣētṟaṁ" in Malayalam and "Sri Padmanabhaswamy Temple" in English. Anything Dravidian doesn't mean we need to insert Tamil script there, Malayalam is also a Dravidian language. Arjuncodename024 09:11, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Moving or Renaming the page[edit]

Consider moving the page to "Sree Padmanabhaswamy Temple". This is the actual and complete name of the temple with correct spelling. -- SreejithInfo (talk) 21:25, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

  • Comment - We use the WP:COMMONNAME on Wikipedia and not the "correct" or "actual and complete name" of the subject. Also, we can't use terms such as "correct" when it comes to transliterations. For example, you propose to add "Sree" and yet the sree article redirects to "sri" which presumably is has been agreed to as the common transliteration of "ശ്രീ." The actual and complete name and spellning is "ശ്രീ പദ്മനാഭസ്വാമി ക്ഷേത്രം." That said, the Google hits seem to show that "Padmanabhaswamy Temple" is a more common usage than "Sree Padmanabhaswamy Temple"
Count Name
815,000 "Padmanabhaswamy Temple" -("Sree Padmanabhaswamy Temple" "Sri Padmanabhaswamy Temple" "Shri Padmanabhaswamy Temple")
668,000 "Sree Padmanabhaswamy Temple"
125,000 "Padmanabha swamy Temple"
66,900 "Sri Padmanabhaswamy Temple"
53,000 "Sree Padmanabha swamy Temple"
39,500 "Sri Padmanabha swamy Temple"
30,400 "Shri Padmanabhaswamy Temple"
7,070 "Shri Padmanabha swamy Temple"
As it's a near 50/50 for "Padmanabhaswamy Temple" vs. "Sree Padmanabhaswamy Temple" I'd lean towards supporting the move, particularly as the native language names include the honorific "sree." --Marc Kupper|talk 23:40, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Given the many variant spellings of the honorific, I recommend leaving it the way it is. Additionally, the employment on an honorific departs neutrality to bestow bias upon the article. (If we are going to rename the article, the full and complete name of the place would be "Sree Anantha Padmanabhaswamy Temple".)--Mike18xx (talk) 04:04, 11 July 2011 (UTC).
That's a good point on the honorific and WP:NPOV. The temple web site uses "Sree Padmanabhaswamy Temple" without the "Anantha." --Marc Kupper|talk 06:59, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
The site cited says "This is NOT the official website of Sree Padmanabhaswamy Temple". --Redtigerxyz Talk 15:32, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
The honorific argument is wrong in this case. We don't say Peter's Basilica, we use St. Peter's Basilica, likewise St. Paul's Cathedral and not Paul's Cathedral . The honorific argument would apply in the case of a person where it's given or claimed. Just like in those cases, the "Sree" is part of the name of the temple. —SpacemanSpiff 09:28, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
I've been looking for a a better source/foundation for the name. Unlike St. Peter's Basilica for example, people frequently use "Padmanabhaswamy Temple" without prefixing it with 'sree' or 'sri' in English language sources.
Even in older references, such as The Travancore state manual: Volume 2 published in 1906 intermix "Padmanabhaswamy Temple" and "Sri Padmanabhaswamy Temple." Books published in the 1800s tended to use Padmanabha Swami with one of them prefixng the name with "Sri."
One argument in favor of leaving the Wikipedia article at "Padmanabhaswamy Temple" is we don't need to decided on if "Sree" or "Sri" is the most "correct" or "common" prefix. --Marc Kupper|talk 18:47, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
I agree with this, suggesting also that a redirect of the current name should be added. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 16:22, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Redirects at both Sree Padmanabhaswamy Temple and Sri Padmanabhaswamy Temple are set up and point to this article. Inspection of the article history of the redirects shows that this article used to be at 'Sri Padmanabhaswamy temple' and was moved to 'Padmanabhaswamy temple' in 2007 and then 'Padmanabhaswamy Temple' in April 2010. In July 2011 someone moved it to 'Thriuvanandapuram Padmanabhaswamy Temple' but that was quickly reverted back to 'Padmanabhaswamy Temple'. --Marc Kupper|talk 18:47, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Sakzophone, 10 July 2011[edit]

whet it represent God "His" should be used even if it comes in middle of a sentence .. please change it

Sakzophone (talk) 08:01, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

"His" is used only for God the concept or monotheism. In Hinduism, there are many gods (god as a common noun), in this context "his" is used. --Redtigerxyz Talk 08:49, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Chronology information[edit]

Is there information on when was the wealth collected? If yes, then please update the article.

treasure?[edit]

Hi,

Suggesting here that the word 'treasure' for temple assets be removed. The correct word is assets, as per this reference by P J Cherian, director, Kerala Council for Historical Research and the director of the archaeological excavations at Pattanam in Ernakulam district. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 06:36, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

That's a good idea - the section header already had assets. I replaced the remaining mentions of "treasure" with "asset" or "valuables" to give the section a more NPOV feel. --Marc Kupper|talk 07:55, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Also note "The Antiquities and Art Treasure Act of 1972 says that if you or any institution has artefacts or materials with cultural or historical value, the state has no problem in you possessing it. Nevertheless, you cannot misuse, melt or export them. That is why the Supreme Court has ordered for the preparation of an inventory of the temple assets." in the same article. One can not therefore value it in terms of weight legally.

As a sidenote "We cannot destroy the assets by melting or selling them to 'solve' the present deficiencies and difficulties. It will not be much different from a thief stealing them for his/her own rational convictions!" ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011 07:25, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Nair brigade and treasure.[edit]

If Nair army were not there, these treasure might have gone to England or Mysore decades before. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.202.148.7 (talk) 08:16, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Old people who knew things are all gone. Don't want to include my original research, therefore moving to talk page. Some one should include actual history too, (not written by hunters, but by hunted ones.) As told by my Great Grand Parents, there is a China connection of Nairs which needs more verifiable facts. May be, the tunnels between Shanghumugam, Kovalam, Poojapura, Kotta and Karamana areas will have a clue on Temple, Nair, China and treasure. The hint is on Nair's Ananthan Kavu converted to Padmanabha Swami temple. Also, the map of India do not include parts of Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh. Please do needful. Aaromal (talk) 07:02, 7 May 2014 (UTC)Nair, Delhi 07 May 2014.

Requested move[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was not moved per in ictu oculi below. --regentspark (comment) 02:05, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Padmanabhaswamy TempleSree Padmanabha Swamy Temple – "Sree Padmanabha Swamy Temple" is the actual and complete name of the temple. Currently an article of that name redirects to this page. It should be the other way around. Please check the official website for the correct name http://www.sreepadmanabhaswamytemple.org -- XrieJetInfo (talk) 15:11, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Oppose the honorific shri is not added in Frommers 2010, nor in Malayalam.wp or Hindi.wp article titles or non-devotional sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:04, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Inventory[edit]

I´ve read that the inventory of the treasure should be finished about now. Have anyone published any nice pictures of the hoard? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:50, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

The inventory has not been made public. Access to the hoard is also restricted. --Redtigerxyz Talk 17:57, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Seems inventory will be done in august 2013, at the earliest. How much will have been stolen by then? http://ibnlive.in.com/news/padmanabhaswamy-temple-sc-to-decide-on-time-to-file-inventory-report/304102-62-126.html Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:42, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Is this hindu Temple Build by Tamil Kings?Any one please clarify the History of the Temple?[edit]

Because i have some Reliable records with me.Tiruvanathapuram it was a Part of Tamil Nadu.Now it is a capital of Indian state Kerala.But i heard that still Tamil and Sanskrit had been following in the Temple aspects.Please Explain any one?Because Malayalam Language was a Part of Tamil Language not like other Dravidian Languages.Is it so?so please Explain any one?May i expect clarification from any body.Thank you!Eshwar.om (talk) 19:30, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

www.vaikhari.org[edit]

Closing per a WP:ANRFC request.
There is a clear consensus that indianscriptures.com, blessingsonthenet.com and iskcontimes.com should be removed, while the Hindu reference should be retained. Armbrust The Homunculus 06:23, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Dear Sumerian prince, I didn't want to sound disrespectful in any way, just want to keep the article in highest quality per wikipedia standards. indianscriptures.com 1) www.vaikhari.org is a private website by non-professionals as seen at the "about us" section. The information is given there without mentioning any source, which is completely inacceptable in academic works. Hence the website won't pass reliable sources criteria WP:RS :

+)Anyone can create a personal web page or publish their own book, and also claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason self-published media—whether books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, personal pages on social networking sites, Internet forum postings, or tweets—are largely not acceptable.

++)Self-published material may sometimes be acceptable when its author is an established expert whose work in the relevant field has been published by reliable third-party publications.

The second part disqualifies the website as no reliable third-party publication ever published material of www.vaikhari.org.

Hence everything needs to be removed unless we have qualified scholars who back these claims in reliable sources. Otherwise this will be seen as an artificial antiquity push movement.--ThaThinThaKiThaTha (talk) 21:03, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

"Early references to the Temple" section sourced with random websites of unknown reliability.--ThaThinThaKiThaTha (talk) 21:04, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Several extant Hindu Texts like the Brahma Purana, Matsya Purana, Varaha Purana, Skanda Purana, Padma Purana, Vayu Purana, Bhagavata Purana and the Mahabharata mention this shrine.[7][8][9][10]

I failed to get reliable books or professional articles on the topic, so I ask the community what to do. I opened a thread at WP:RSN Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Padmanabhaswamy_temple but didn't get any response there. I suspect there are no such references in Puranas to the temple and these website speculate and try to alter the age of the temple to make it look even more "glamourous". --ThaThinThaKiThaTha (talk) 21:04, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

  • Comment The Hindu is a reliable source. The others are definitely not. There are reliably-published sources for those puranas and we don't need those websites. I would chop the whole section. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:58, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Support removing the websites. Keep The Hindu. SW3 5DL (talk) 02:58, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
  • ""Support"" in the same way. The Hindu appears like it works but websites with no sources at all seem to be questionable. Is there anyone who can attest for them or support their legitimacy? If so maybe they could work, but it doesn't seem like it presently. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prasangika37 (talkcontribs) 03:17, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

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