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Unsorted talk[edit]

Is 'solvent' the right word for the liquid suspending the pigment? The word typically used in art and art history contexts is medium -- of course, artists and art historians are notoriously obtuse about science, so if 'solvent' is the technical term in that context, all well and good, and we just need a sentence to explain "medium/media" --MichaelTinkler


I question the definition given in the first paragraph, since stains for wood also color the surface of an object. I'm not sure if stains qualify as "paints"; the entries I'm seeing for the two online and in the OAD seem to avoid each other nicely.


Good questions; I am by no means an artist or chemist :-) I'll work in "medium". I honestly did not even think of stains. Please feel free to edit as necessary! --Alan Millar


Various ideas for this article. I'm putting them here in the waystation first because I'm not sure of their merits.

  • mention of relative ease of use of different paints--subjective, yes, but almost everyone agrees that oil is more difficult than acrylic, and it doesn't take a genius to see that watercolor is extremely difficult--one stray brushstroke and it's ruined; you can't stop the flow of water. Compare this to acrylic and oil, which can at least be scraped off and / or painted over. Adding more paint in those two media does not affect the paint already on the object
  • mention of Bob Ross, the only acrylic artist I can think of at the moment. of course caveats about his general critical drubbings, but he *has* been immensely popular, and I think being able to turn a blank canvas into a finished painting in <60 minutes is remarkable. Also he was a do-it-yourselfer and a proletariat.  :-)
  • mention of wood paint, as compared to wood stain--one of the few paints or maybe the only one which can generally be removed completely and the original object restored to its original state, or very near it. Try that with a canvas.  :-)
  • mention of varnishes, lacquers, other means of preservations of paintings
  • mention of restorations of paintings -- way out of my league here
  • more info on milk paint. I've never heard of it

WELL: it doesn't take a genius to see that watercolor is extremely difficult--one stray brushstroke and it's ruined is certainly historically true (like a friend of mine says, "It's as true as it ever was" :-) but really is no longer, thanks (in the main) to quality paper. Turns out that most watercolors remain water soluable (DO place watercolors behind glass!) forever, and so you can lift off bits with sponges or stiff-bristle brushes, or scrape down to the paper with a knife. There are "staining" colors, which as the name suggests, stain the paper so it's harder to remove them completely.

"Milk" paint is usually referred to as casein.

Finally, anyone whose seen Bob Ross' products for sale might dispute characterizing him as a "pure" proletariat :-)


If anybody has some info about environmental impacts of paint and how to dispose of paint containers, paint residues, etc..., please contribute; it would be very valuable. For instance, I assume that cleaning a brush filled with latex paint in the sink is not very environmentally friendly. Alternatives should be offered (if any exist).--Deragon 20:19, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)


This page has one of the best accompanying images on the whole of Wikipedia. My thanks to whoever put it there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.142.20.116 (talk) 23:55, 4 October 2005‎ (UTC)

Seriously though, could we get a slightly more relevant pic? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.122.194.27 (talk) 02:54, 2 April 2006‎‎ (UTC)

Just a quick question. The initial description of what makes a paint states four things, binder, diluent, filler, and additive, and then describes what a binder and a diluent are, leaving everything else as an additive. Now, I know next to nothing about paint, but could someone either add a definition for filler, or perhaps remove it or change it to filler and other additives? Cheers. Antemeridian 15:24, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Surely pigment is an important constituent of paint, no? Bill F 21:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Removed the term "graffiti artists" As anyone that graffiti's without permission are vandals, not artists. Considering that the section is talking about "anti graffiti" substances, I think this a fair edit 121.209.49.111 (talk) 06:12, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

history?[edit]

The history of paint has pretty slim pickings. If it could be expanded that would be great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.19.1.130 (talk) 0:59, 20 September 2006‎ (UTC)

Paint Sticks[edit]

My company recently researched and published an article on paint sticks, especially Markal Paintstiks. It is remarkable how this solid form of paint is so useful for commercial industrial purposes. I believe that our article would make a useful external link for the Wikipedia Paint Article. It has interesting pictures too. http://www.coxhardware.com/Products/Markal_Markers.html Please see what you think. 72.74.241.2 03:00, 1 October 2006 (UTC)Sally Seaver Shabaka, Active Lightning 30 September 2006

paint touch up[edit]

maybe include a section on paint touch-up and why it's so hard to touch-up some colors and if light plays a role in seeing the touched area, etc. Gary Smith 74.227.49.132 23:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikibook version[edit]

I 'borrowed' much of this article for this wikibook page:

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I had to add quite a bit to make the page meet the requirements of the exam board the book intends to meet, so if there's anything there you fancy copying back into this Wikipedia article, feel free! Ewen 10:11, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Rewrite of definition and compositon of paint[edit]

Please excuse the presumption, but I did an impromptu refinement of the definition and compositon of paint, based on a presentation I have been giving for the last couple of decades.

--James52 04:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Reverted to the original definition of paint. Paint is opaque. If the film is not opaque, it's not paint, it's technically varnish if it's clear, stain if it's translucent. Please discuss if there is disagreement.

--James52 07:39, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, let's look at the definition of paint, shall we?

Original: Paint is any liquid, liquifiable, or mastic composition which after application to a substrate in a thin layer is converted to an opaque solid film.

Version with Clarity: Paint is any liquid medium, containing a pigment, which after application to a substrate in a thin layer is converted to an opaque, translucent, or transparent solid film upon drying.

Hmm, liquid medium is misleading, since some paints come in solid form. See powder coating as one example.

Hmm, containing a pigment is superfluous since it is addressed in the article and is not essential to the basic definition.

Hmm, translucent or transparent are incorrect because they would then be classified as stains or varnishes.

Hmm, drying and curing are also addressed in the article and are not essential to the basic definition.

Nope, sorry, don't see it. Don't see any additional clarity. Please discuss here if there is disagreement.

--James52 18:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Paint functions[edit]

There is another function of paint not mentioned in the article.

The function of Identification is used for example (among other uses) to specify the contents of pipework and containers in industrial environments. This is especially important where there may be many pipes in close proximity to each other. Here in Australia we use Australian Standard colours.

Some examples of this are: (I have used generic descriptions, as the colour names may vary internationally)

green - water, light blue - compressed air, silver - steam, red - fire fighting water, orange - electrical conduit, light bicuit - natural gas.

Other examples of identification are: flanges on jigs and levers on machines can be colour coded according to function, coloured lines may define walkways or no parking zones, different types of fire extinguisher are coloured differently.

220.237.38.106 09:26, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Misleading Definition[edit]

"Paint is any liquid, liquifiable, or mastic composition which after application to a substrate in a thin layer is converted to an opaque solid film." This excludes impasto and any use of thick layers of paint. What is more it denies the fact that paint is paint before it is painted. This may be a definition, but it is POV.Peas & Luv (talk) 04:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC) Anti-climb paint does not form a solid film either.Peas & Luv (talk) 04:58, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Femtosecond laser ablation[edit]

Can the femtosecond-laser-ablation technique can be added to teh article as a alternative to paint/coatings (eg for painting vehicles)? If not applicable here, add to the appropriate article See this project by Chunlei Guo http://www.osa-opn.org/Blog/post/2008/02/Colorizing-Metals-Beyond-Basic-Black.aspx — Preceding unsigned comment added by KVDP (talkcontribs) 16:45, 21 April 2009‎ (UTC)

outdoor wood painting tips[edit]

I was disapointed with both paint and primer(paint)I had hoped for more cross references such as exteriour paint for wood. Is Kills sutable for both? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ccpoodle (talkcontribs) 19:46, 11 June 2007‎ (UTC)

Dangers[edit]

The section DANGERS has no factual references for its claims, e.g. housold paint contains 10,000 chemicals. The references cited, reference 7, "how stuff works..." and reference 8, "Eearth easy" do not cite factual sources for their claims either. I do know how to flag this as citation needed or whateer is appropriate. Would someone please flag this as needing a factual reference. Thanks 75.73.83.248 (talk) 13:56, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

DANGERS seems to source back to an article someone trying to sell their own "natural" paint through scare tactics. The scare article has numerous outright incorrect (one hesitates to call them lies, even if more accurate) modern consumer paint does not have the mercury, cadmium, chromium etc cited in the article - with the exception of some high-end specialty artist paints.
We also need to fix some other items in the article - paint is never conventionally applied as a gas! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.45.4.27 (talk) 20:03, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Solvent base paint[edit]

The solvent base paint is very harmful, hazardous & taking very less time dry.

So, if you have any idea regarding the cleaning of the paint system, then please suggest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.229.237.43 (talk) 08:41, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Alkyd resins[edit]

Many quality paints (in the UK at least) are emulsions of Alkyd resins and pigments yet Alkyd gets just a single mention here. Can somebody with knowledge of paints provide an appropriate inclusion to rectify this please.  Velella  Velella Talk   22:25, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Paint effects[edit]

worth a mention I'd think

  1. 1 Woodgraining
  2. 2 Ragrolling
  3. 4 Marbling
  4. 5 Sprayed Fades
  5. 6 Colourwash
  6. 7 Fibres
  7. 8 Camouflage
  8. 9 Crackle
  9. 10 Dragging
  10. 11 Parchment
  11. 12 Sponging
  12. 13 Stencilling
  13. 14 Stippling
  14. 15 Latticing

82.31.207.100 (talk) 07:40, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Certainly worth mention. I think we should probably go for a separate article on paint effects quite quickly (even if it's a referenced stub that's barely more than a list), then articles per effect (or group) as time permits. This would give a better balance (re WP:UNDUE) for both articles.
The biggest problem is likely to be finding suitable images - such an article wouldn't work well until they were available. Andy Dingley (talk) 08:28, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

No paint shaker article?[edit]

As near as I can tell, this article has the only mention of paint shakers outside of pop-culture references on wikipedia. It's a machine that would be perfectly appropriate for an article - I'd sooner expect there to not be an article about hair dryers. There are a few basic kinds, like the enclosed machines that can shake multiple cans (of varying size) vertically, the open kind that move a single can back and forth horizontally or vertically, and paint spinners that hold a single can, or smaller sizes with a sizing adapter. The machines aren't necessarily limited to cans either since quart plastic bottles can fit in the adapter as well. Shaker (laboratory) has article, so why not one for paint shaker? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.254.83.243 (talk) 22:55, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Paint Types[edit]

Why is there no mention of iridescent, matte, and gloss paint types? — KlappCK (talk) 18:00, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

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"One may also consider the digital mimicry thereof."[edit]

Weird phrase. Doesn't really say anything. Removing it.77.103.132.143 (talk) 11:59, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

"latex"[edit]

After some considerable research concerning a precisely specified paint for a recent Job that required undercoating with "flat white latex Primer" (a term unheard of in nearly all paint suppliers in the UK) I have become aware that the general term 'latex paint' is widely used in the USA to denote paint refered to in the UK as 'emulsion paint' - delighted that I no longer have to import a tin of emulsion from the USA just because it says latex on the side, I thought I'd update the section on that paint for future reference, giving both names for the acrylic polymer paint. 86.7.226.15 (talk) 15:33, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

egg yolk?[edit]

"Paint was made with the yolk of eggs" - I would question this. The yolk is (a) coloured and (b) likely to rot as it is very nutritious. In my very limited experience egg white goes clear and hard and does not rot, so it would seem to be more likely. Perhaps someone could confirm this?

-- Norman Paterson

91.125.246.159 (talk) 19:27, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Nope, it's yolk. See Tempera#Egg_tempera. Hairhorn (talk) 21:59, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

color gamut[edit]

When you go into a paint store, they can computer match a color swatch. This implies that any acrylic paint can be replicated by any given manufacturer (pretty well); that is that all manufacturers share a common color gamut. It would be interesting to see just how many of the colors that we can see, can be replicated as interior or exterior paints. Could someone show the typical color gamut on color wheel?RStillwater (talk) 20:51, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

This isn't my field, so I'd rather not get into the matter myself, but if you go to http://commons.wikimedia.org and enter color wheel you will get over 100 hits. Some are animated and some are variously elaborated to assist in making some point or other. If you enter color gamut you will get over 30 hits. If you are already editing, then you can legally edit any of the pictures into the article where they may be useful. It is easy because if you click on "W Use this file" it will give you everything you need to copy-and-paste into the article. If you are not yet editing, then you can reply here and maybe someone will assist in inserting your selection in context. If no one else does, I might. Good luck. JonRichfield (talk) 06:10, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

medium[edit]

We have the term "medium" used twice in the Art section, but unexplained/undefined there or beforehand. "medium" is present in Wiktionary as "a liquid base which carries pigment in paint". I see that some contributors have tried to address the problem on this talk page, to no avail yet. --Jerome Potts (talk) 08:58, 4 February 2014 (UTC)