Talk:Paint It Black
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WP:COMMONNAME is a policy - it is not decided by a local poll, but by looking at what reliable sources use.
- "Paint It Black": The Rolling Stones: off the record By Mark Paytress; The Rolling Stones By Thomas Forget; rollingstones.com; The Independent; The Times; CNN, etc.
- "Paint It, Black": The Guardian; The complete guide to the music of the Rolling Stones By James Hector.
- A search on Google Scholar for "Paint It, Black" only returned "Paint It Black" - .
- Images show a variety of record sleeves using "Paint It, Black" and "Paint It Black" - .
- A web search shows overwhelming use of "Paint It Black" - .
- The search term "Paint It Black" gets input into Wikipedia over 5,000 times a month - .
- There is overwhelming evidence that most reliable sources and most readers use "Paint It Black" so that should be the name of this article. 16:48, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
- I don't necessarily disagree, but I think you should've filed a new WP:RM rather than boldly overturned the above discussion. There was also non-trivial history and talk page discussion at . As such, I've reverted the bold move for now. –xenotalk 17:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I completely follow your rationale here. You don't disagree, yet you revert because you feel process hasn't been followed? If I had read the above poll I would have closed it as move because not only are there four supports to three opposes, but also because there have been previous attempts to put this article right, and the WP:COMMONNAME policy directs us not to have a discussion first but to look at reliable sources, and the reliable sources - as I have shown above (including the Rolling Stones own website) - plus common usage (as I have shown above), plus all the sources used in the article, all indicate "Paint It Black". The move was compliant with Wikipedia:Move and WP:COMMONNAME. It is only when there is some doubt about which name to use, do we need to have a discussion. When most reliable sources, including the writer of the song, and most readers use one version, we go with that version. I'd welcome you doing some research of your own into the title, and if your findings are different to mine that would be the time to have a discussion. If you find that your findings match mine, then I would hope you'd do the right thing and move it back to "Paint It Black". 18:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
- Just playing devils advocate, but COMMONNAME is only part of the article naming policy, it's not the cardinal rule.
- In my opinion, another RM is required here, so I won't move it myself as you suggest.
- I still think the above shouldn't be simply unilaterally overturned; however, I won't consider it wheel-warring if you re-implement your bold move (but I advise you against it). However, on a strictly procedural note, you'll need to move the redirect with non-trivial history and talk page content currently living at "Paint It Black" somewhere first (perhaps "Paint It Black (Rolling Stones song)"). –xenotalk 18:39, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Embedded lists and trivia are discouraged per Wikipedia:Embedded lists and Wikipedia:Handling trivia. Unsourced material is discouraged per Wikipedia:Verifiability. The list is moved here as it may be used by editors to refer to as the basis for constructing a sourced prose section. 16:08, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
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"Paint It Black" has been covered by many other bands and music artists, including:
References in popular culture
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In recent years, the song was used in the ending credits of Full Metal Jacket and the opening credits of Tour of Duty. It was also used in 2004 in an episode-ending montage in the NBC television show American Dreams, when a major character went missing in Vietnam. In the BBC Top Gear Vietnam special, aired in December 2008 the song is played briefly after an American decorated motorbike is unveiled as a threat to the presenters.
Its other film appearances include For Love of the Game and 1997's The Devil's Advocate, played during the closing credits. The pilot of Nip/Tuck TV show also uses the Rolling Stones' version of the song. The song, as covered by Gob, was also featured in the film Stir of Echoes. The Gob cover also plays over the end credits of the 2004 mini-series of Salem's Lot. A French version of the song, recorded by Marie Laforêt, appears in both The Devil's Advocate and the 2006 film Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby, and an alternative version appears on commercials for The Sopranos on A&E.
"Paint It Black" was also used in six video game titles. Conflict: Vietnam used the song during the opening sequence, while Twisted Metal: Black used the beginning of the song in the opening screen, then the whole song again in its end credits, and inserted into level music throughout moments of gameplay. A version of the karaoke game SingStar also features "Paint It Black". The song is also featured in Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock as a playable track, with an extended ending to avoid fading out like the original did (the game makes use of the master track). However, it is unable to be played in Co-op mode, as the bass and guitar tracks could not be separated (this can be heard in single-player mode also; when one makes a mistake, both the guitar and bass cut out). It is also heard playing on some static radios in the Eve of Destruction total conversion for Battlefield 1942, Battlefield: Vietnam and Battlefield 2. In addition, it was used in the television commercial for Vietcong: Purple Haze. Karaoke Revolution Presents: American Idol Encore 2 allows players to sing it and unlock a video of it being performed on American Idol.
In "The Jeep Song" by The Dresden Dolls, Track 10 on their 2003 self titled debut album, Amanda Palmer sings "I see a red jeep and I want to paint it black" in reference to the "Paint It Black" line "I see a red door and I want to paint it black".
The second chapter in Alan Moore's The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Volume III: Century is set in 1966 and titled "Paint it Black".
Japanese pop star Hikaru Utada revamps the first line at the end of "Amai Wana: Paint It, Black".
In “The Christmas Show” episode of Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip, Studio 60 co-executive producer Matt Albie (Matthew Perry) is complimenting Studio 60 cast member Harriet Hayes (Sarah Paulson) on being cast as Anita Pallenberg in a new movie about the Rolling Stones. He says “…you’re great casting for that…It’s a great part. Brian, Keith, Mick Jagger – they all considered her a musical confidante. ‘Paint It Black’ was all her.”
The third book in the Sonja Blue series (Midnight Blue: The Sonja Blue Collection), by Nancy A. Collins, is titled Paint It Black.
Siobahn Magnus and Gina Gloksen sang this song on American Idol. Each performance was one of the best for the singers.
Paint it black written by the Rolling Stones!
This was written by the Rolling Stones. Mick Jagger and Keith Richards have openly discussed it. According to the introduction James Taylor disputes it. Well James Taylor never wrote a song called 'paint it black'. He wrote a song called rainy day man, in late 1966, (not released until 1971), after Paint it Black had been released. I would correct this article, as connecting James Taylor to the song, is bordering on fantasy. Wikipedia should be more focused on facts than fiction! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 09:30, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Must be another cover
The Deep Six version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toeXM4lywDQ&feature=related) must be a cover, I consider. Does anybody know it for sure? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 22:03, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
"More literally, it is about using the visual trick of painting everything black in the mind's eye." Anyone care to hazard a guess what this sentence might mean? CulturalSnow (talk) 12:56, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Requested move 2
Key and Guitar style
Many years ago, I was in a music store, flipping through a Rolling Stones transcription book (staff music and tablature). According to this book, the song is in F minor, and is played on the acoustic with a capo on the third fret, playing as if the song were in D minor (which is much easier, from a guitarist's perspective, than F minor). I satisfied myself that this was correct when the intro, with its rapid little runs (D-E-F-G, F-E-D-E) proved much easier to play than in standard tuning, particularly the high G string that was once an E. Moreover, no guitarist with a brain in his head will play in a "guitar-unfriendly" key like F minor, when a capo (or a retuning) will make it easier, and allow for ringing open strings here and there. So, I believe it, but the only source I actually have a copy of, the Hot Rocks 1964-1971 "Piano/Vocal/Chords" book, only confirms that the song is in F minor, and doesn't mention the capo at all. And the book in general is a piece of shit full of errors, though "Paint It Black" seems to have escaped such a fate. Can any of this go in the article? I'm not going to waste the effort of an edit AND a reference just to establish the song's key. If I can add the bit about the capo, however, I'd be happy to, because it's so very, obviously true. I have a feeling this would be considered Original Research.
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