Talk:Pandurang Shastri Athavale

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
WikiProject Biography (Rated Start-class)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.
Start-Class article Start  This article has been rated as Start-Class on the project's quality scale.
 
WikiProject India / Maharashtra (Rated Start-class, Low-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject India, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of India-related topics. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page.
Start-Class article Start  This article has been rated as Start-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Low  This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by WikiProject Maharashtra (marked as Mid-importance).
 
Note icon
This article was last assessed in April 2012.

Testing —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.143.51.22 (talk) 04:07, 15 September 2007 (UTC) This article was taken practically verbatim from http://www.lifepositive.com/Spirit/new- age-catalysts/athavale/athavale-shastri.asp and is ©Lifepositive.com Inc. Likewise the image that accompanied the article. It needs to be rewritten with original material. If the original poster[1] had permission to use the copyrighted material, it must be properly documented on this page. --Kbh3rd 02:28, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Unacceptable content[edit]

Please stop adding biased content and copyrighted material to this article and removing content from it, as it is in violation of Wikipedia policy. What is so badly wrong with the current version that it must continuously be fiddled with? - ulayiti 14:59, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Despite significant improvements, this article is still very biased. Especially sentences such as 'The motive underlying their work is the gratitude and love they have towards God whom they feel is with and within us' have no place in an encyclopedia. I have also grown a bit bored of constantly having to revert and edit this article (particularly as it is now longer than it used to be) and could use some help. I am also requesting whoever edits this article to take Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy into consideration. - ulayiti (talk) 12:47, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Actually I oppose the facts under-estimated by Ulayiti , this writer has not found the truth herself. As of wikipedia i have found that wikipedia is all about facts and things that exist. I think the writer should first confirm that the facts mentioned are true or not and 'I m getting bored' has no view in wikipedia because if facts are found to be boring then thats an individual question.

Please have a look at WP:NPOV. Wikipedia operates under a strong 'neutral point of view' policy. Some of your edits are far from conforming to this, especially the adding of sentences such as, 'These powerful thoughts have strength to change the quality of one's life, quality of society, quality of world community in general as well as the unity of the world.' This is, after all, an encyclopaedia, and things in it should be represented neutrally. You are welcome to add verifiable and factual information to the project.
I also did not state that the facts are boring, I said I'm getting bored of constantly having to revert the addition of non-facts into this article. (And by the way, I'm a he, not a she.) - ulayiti (talk) 15:37, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Ulayiti's biased writing and reverting of facts is annoying. If it wants to see the proofs, do your own research. Don't expect people to put in proofs for every line. Read the book, "Vital Connetion" before you revert any more edits.

'These thoughts make Hindu a better Hindu' is not a fact, it's an opinion. Opinions have no place in an encyclopaedia. An encyclopaedia is also not supposed so say things like 'if you want proof, do your own research'. I will continue to revert your edits until you can come up with something useful. Your edits are also borderline vandalism, and might lead to you being blocked from editing. Please stop. - ulayiti (talk) 11:40, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Ok, the statement is removed. Please educate youself before considering yourself worthy of reverting other people's edits to suit your views.

I have edited the article to make it more neutral in tone, and fixed some grammar and spelling mistakes. Please tell me whether you are all right with the current version. Also, I think some of the Swadhyay section should be merged into the article on Svadhyaya. - ulayiti (talk) 22:22, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

I formally object Ulayiti's unrestricted modifications and distortion of facts. His/Her intelorence to good activities done by individual of other faith/nationality is unacceptable. Just because you are administrator does not mean you can go on and destroy good information. Shame on you Ulayiti.

I've left you a note on your user talk page, as this is no longer discussion about the article. - ulayiti (talk) 12:32, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Well i regret for using she for he , but sir i would like to make some things clear. Facts are facts and to show you some facts please refer the link below http://www.rmaf.org.ph/Awardees/Citation/CitationAthavalePan.htm and also this http://www.templetonprize.org/bios_recent.html please look out that the person whom we are talking about has been awarded for what you have been objecting here. U wanted proofs here is the proof , please goahead and get more details(dont ge biased while doing so) theres a lot that has been published on internet about this man. So please take back what you have said and spend your some time on reading some writing instead of just blindly writing about someone even before knowing who he is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.254.52.177 (talkcontribs) 11:47, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Please refrain from misrepresenting my views and removing my comments. I haven't been objecting to any awards received by Athavale, just your biased representation of him. Also, your blanking of this page amounts to vandalism, so I've issued warning on your user talk page. - ulayiti (talk) 12:00, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm not a party to this discussion here, but as a long-time Wikipedia user, I would like to interject a few points here.
First, the anonymous user above is incorrect in telling User:Ulayiti, "If it wants to see the proofs, do your own research. Don't expect people to put in proofs for every line."
One of the basic policies of Wikipedia is that the burden of proof for anything added to an article rests "squarely on the shoulders of the person making the claim." (See Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons and Wikipedia:Verifiability.) Note that, in Wikipedia:Citing sources, it is clearly stated as policy that, "Providing sources for edits is mandated by Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Verifiability, which are policy. This means that any material that is challenged and has no source may be removed by any editor." (emphasis added).
There's a very simple reason for this policy. Say somebody were to add a line saying that the Moon is made of green cheese. If the burden of proof were not on the person making that claim, then it would be impossible to remove that line, because other editors would have to find proof that every inch of the Moon has been searched and that no green cheese has been found.
Therefore, User:Ulayiti is justified in removing unsourced (or poorly sourced) controversial claims from this article. (Poorly sourced claims would be those that cite unreliable sources or sources that are biased either in favor of or against Pandurang Athavale.) The anonymous user has the burden of proof, not User:Ulayiti and therefore the anonymous user must cite sources and must provide proof. Especially when adding controversial material (or any material that is challenged), users are required by Wikipedia policy to, in the anonymous user's words, "put in proofs for every line."
On another note, the anonymous user is assuming bad faith on the part of User:Ulayiti, as is seen in the following comment: "His/Her intelorence to good activities done by individual of other faith/nationality is unacceptable." This is a violation of Wikipedia policy (see Wikipedia:Assume good faith). From what I see here, User:Ulayiti has not done anything nor said anything to justify being accused of racism or any other kind of prejudice.
From my brief look at this article's history, it seems to constantly move between two extremes; it is either biased strongly in favor of Athavale or strongly against him. It needs to be neutral, per Wikipedia policy. --Hnsampat 17:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Pandurang Shastri.jpg[edit]

Nuvola apps important.svg

Image:Pandurang Shastri.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 14:30, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Philosopher of india[edit]

Pandurang Shastri Athavale was ONE of the a great Philosopher india has ever produced. He was eqvivalent to Swami vivekananda as he has also attended the second world philosophers conference in 1954. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.14.13.71 (talk) 11:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Do not compare Swami Vivekanand with Pandurang Shastri. Because he attended the world philosopher conference it doesn't give him right to be equivalent to swami vivekanand.

For godsake, because you believe in Swadhayay parivar doesn't mean you compare to Panduranji with Swami Vivekanand. Swami Vivekanand never agree to shit Varna Vyavstha from Manusmirti!! Panduranji strongly believes in cast system. He strongly supports Manusmirti and even mentioned in his book "Sanskriti Chintan" that child widow shouldn't get marry and shudra must be shudra!! What a great philosoper!!!

He said he believes in Krishna and Krishna never believed in cast system. Panduranji teaching is completely hyporcate and you can see the present situation of Swadhayay Parivar. look dear whatever u r i don't know but read care fully this ( for understood the thought of dadaji u have to think in dadaji's point of view he own said that we all are son of one father you should under stent properly what he want to say dadaji said that other is not other heis my devotional brother then how you can say like this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so look your self in mirror and post any thing after learn about dadaji

Wrong Link====[edit]

Under Hindu Philosophy section -> Modern name of Ravi shankar is appearing, but while we click on that link it navigate us to Music meastro Ravi Shankar wikipedia. I think his name shouldnot be there. Please remove his name.Thanks ! Jai Yogeshwar ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.112.82.129 (talk) 12:06, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Biased & Unbalanced Philosopher of India[edit]

Do not compare Swami Vivekanand with Pandurang Shastri. Because he attended the world philosopher conference it doesn't give him right to be equivalent to swami vivekanand.

For godsake, because you believe in Swadhayay parivar doesn't mean you compare to Panduranji with Swami Vivekanand. Swami Vivekanand never agree to shit Varna Vyavstha from Manusmirti!! Panduranji strongly believes in cast system. He strongly supports Manusmirti and even mentioned in his book "Sanskriti Chintan" that child widow shouldn't get marry and shudra must be shudra!! What a great philosoper!!!

He said he believes in Krishna and Krishna never believed in cast system. Panduranji teaching is completely hyporcate and you can see the present situation of Swadhayay Parivar.

By Hriday

P.S. I am not opposing any particular person but people must use their own brain to evaluate any leader before you follow him/her. Any great so called philosopher is end of the day are normal human being and therefore can't be great or always right.

== Lit of Bogus Claim ==[1]

Dada himself made a The BOGUS claim of building houses for the earthquake victims of Gujarat. Initially, Mr. Athavale said that Swadhyay built 40,000 houses then the claim was reduced to 10,000 and when further challenged, Mr. Athavale said 4534 houses were built. However, in a petition filed to Gujarat Government, Mrs. Talwalkar said that Bhav Vardhan Trust provided materials worth Rs. 95 Lacs to build those houses and the trust has not built the houses per say. On an interesting note Millions of dollars were sent from DAY USA to help the victims of Gujarat Earthquake. Where is the Money? Where are the Houses?

Dada made a Bogus claim of total transformation of 100,000 villages due to Swadhyay: A fair estimate would be that there are a maximum of one million Swadhyayees against 20 million claimed in the nomination paper and the number of villages which are affected by Swadhyay activity to some extent (in most cases, not very significantly) would be 7500. Against the claim of one hundred thousand villages, in reality, not a single village has got completely transformed either economically or spiritually. The best of these villages about which Swadhyayees could boast of would not be more than a couple of hundred villages. Even in these villages, the economic and spiritual results achieved through Swadhyay activities cannot be considered sizeable. Gujarat and Maharashtra states combined, total number of villages are around 60,000 so even if Swadhyay had spread 100% in both of these states, they would still be short of 40,000 villages.
Dada had been telling his followers for years that Swadhyay will be managed according to its constitution AAMNAY: This is Dada’s betrayal with his followers. He promised to run Swadhyay based on its constitution AAMNAY so followers trusted him and his intentions. He skillfully kept his followers in dark about his putri-moha and used them in Swadhyay’s marketing and money making experiments. He Discarded Swadhyay’s constitution AAMNAY and established gadi-pratha.
Dada said he will not buy a cup of coffee with Templeton Award Money: What happened to this Award money then? This money is sitting in a private account at the Harmonium Circle Mumbai branch of Dena Bank. Current Value of this deposit is over Rs. 7 Crores.
Japan World religion conference: Mr. Athvale attended World religion conference in Japan and impressed everyone. Mr. Athavale attended the Congress organized by Ananai-Kyo a religious cult at Japan in1954 and not the prestigious religious conference like the one attended by Swami Vivekananda. The Congress organized by Ananai-Kyo was a tiny one with only 20 delegates representing six countries only including the small countries like Denmark, Holland and Philippines. Besides Mr. Athavale, the other Indians who attended the Congress were Miss Prakashmani and Miss Ratnamohini of Brahmakumari’s, Mount Abu, India, Mr. C. M. Chakradeo, Bombay, India and also, Mr. M. G. Shah, Bombay, India. (The Report, pages 108-121, 130-134, 182-194)
Shri Vinoba Bhave was very much impressed with meeting Athvale: This is also a LIE. Ms Nirmala Deshpande, personal secretary of Shri Vinoba Bhave had stated that it was Mr. Athvale who requested this meeting, which lasted only for two hours and at the end of the meeting Vinbo Bhave commented that Mr. Athvale is Garvith (Arrogant).
Mr. Athvale is a world renowned Philosopher. What could be more funnier than this? What is his philosophy? Has any of the world renowned philosophers ever considered him as a philosopher? Was he ever invited to any meetings of world renowned philosophers? Did he ever write any book purely on philosophy? Which University uses his book on philosophy as a text book?

This is how the whole fraud started...propaganda, lies and deceit by few people to create and image of Mr. Athvale and gullible Gujaratis believed every lie and no one bothered to check it out to see if there is any truth to these fabricated stories. Dada told us that "Didi is your leader and Varasdar of Gadi". Didi has been telling us that "Dada was an Avatar" and their agents had been telling us regularly that "Whole Athvale family is Divine" and we are "fortunate" to be part of the Karya ( Family business). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.66.191.130 (talk) 04:46, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

to your comments :

A) Dadaji never said any of this statements, B) Nobody cares about any other else, who said this

This is what varna Vyavastha its nothing related to caste system. A follower of a "Knowledge based" profession is called a "Brahmin"; A follower of a "Justice / state administration based" profession is called a "Kshatriya"; and a follower of an "finance / economics based" profession is called a "Vaishya".

Anyone who is not following any profession is called a "Shudra". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.61.6.58 (talk) 07:52, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference undefined was invoked but never defined (see the help page).