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Image[edit]

There is this drawing of Swami's available on commons. Any thoughts on using it? prashanthns (talk) 20:53, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

We could use a drawing but perhaps lower in the article, not in the info box, it is surprising no one has a photo of him. Actually looking at the pic it is not much of a representation and I would see no benefit to the reader. Off2riorob (talk) 20:56, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Yea. I myself am in two minds about its utility in the article, which is why I thought I should bring it up. I have no issues on its representativeness, but only that it kinda looks like a caricature. I would wait and get a few more opinions on its use in the lower half of the article.prashanthns (talk) 21:41, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Yes, that was the word I was looking for caricature, I seem to remember the picture being in the article previously and I may have taken it out, but don't quote me. I would actually strongly object to the insertion of this caricature into a BLP. Off2riorob (talk) 21:43, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Hmm..the photo I removed was quite good, but a copyvio though. prashanthns (talk) 21:51, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Yes it was, but alas a vio. I had a look and couldn't see if I had removed this drawing, no worries. If I get chance I might email a request for a picture from the foundation or somewhere, although I have done that a few times and only had one result. Off2riorob (talk) 22:00, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Need more information on the person[edit]

This is a well orchestrated campaign of nityananda supporters masquerading as objective info presenters. Even for an untrained eye, the hymns of praise are very obvious. All reports in the news are mentioned with the pretext " alleged" and " accused" and everything that elevates his position is devoutly referenced with adjectives and referenced shamelessly to his own website.

The article as it stands now seems to be just about a single scandal. It provides no background as to why he was famous and why the scandal was considered so important by the Indian Media. I plan to get some links that talk about this. People who are interested in helping out, can contribute to the effort. Acnaren (talk) 11:22, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

I will help if details about his life, early life and so on could be found in WP:RS reliable sources, seems like that would be a clear improvement. Off2riorob (talk) 13:19, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
He became popular in India mainly because of his spiritual healing (Still looking for some solid references here) and he had a large set of celebrity followers/disciples including chief ministers of a couple of state and quite a impressive list of Hindi and Tamil actors and actresses - many of them who seem to show continued support post scandal (see references to Juhi Chawla and S.V.Shekar below). He fist came into popular limelight because of a series he wrote in the popular Tamil magazine "Kumudam" called "Kadavai Thira Kattru Varattum" (meaning "Open the door, let the breeze enter") (I am still trying to find an english reference for this.. can anyone let me know if they have one?).
Here are articles from reliable media that refer to his association with Modi - Chief Minister of Gujarat and Yedurappa the Chief Minister of Karnataka.. http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-03-05/vadodara/28146699_1_narendra-modi-sardar-sarovar-narmada-nigam-invitation and http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/On+the+run,+Swami+Nityananda+arrested+near+Shimla+hill+station/1/93931.html
And links that refer to famous followers in the cine field - Vivek Oberoi - http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-12-06/news-interviews/28107129_1_sudeep-kannada-film-vivek-oberoi, Juhi Chawla - http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-01-02/bangalore/28357630_1_juhi-chawla-bidadi-ashram-birthday-celebrations, Vishnuvardhan (actor) (I could only find a photo here) http://gallery.oneindia.in/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1537971&g2_serialNumber=3, S. V. Shekar (The article is in Tamil) http://www.koodal.com/news/tamilnadu.asp?id=54777&section=tamil&title=s-v-shekar-meets-nithyananda, Michael Richards (of Kramer fame in Seinfeld) - http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jul/13/entertainment/et-richards13 - Acnaren (talk) 05:14, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Sun News Video section needs to be updated[edit]

The last news there is 7 months old. Moreover, the section reads like a news report with a collection of random details rather than a summary of important events. Also we need to rethink the sections based on recent events such as the CID claiming that they sent no news to the media and that the media made up many of the alleged confessions and events of the case - http://www.mid-day.com/news/2011/apr/120411-News-Bangalore-Swami-Nithyananda-Sex-videotapes-CID.htm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acnaren (talkcontribs) 02:53, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the recent link, if there are notable updates we want to add them at the earliest convenience. The face that the press created titillation and exaggerated reports is also to be expected and we understood this at the time and did not report unduly at wikipedia. Off2riorob (talk) 11:06, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Heading of this section isn't appropriate for the content, and the content has very few mention about the case and the reason for arrest. In a complaint lodged with the Chennai police, Nithya Dharmananda alias K. Lenin of Athur in Salem accused Swami Nithyananda of harassment and criminal intimidation. The Central Crime Branch police registered a case under Section 295 (A) (deliberate and malicious acts intended to outrage religious feelings or any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs), 376 (rape), 377 (unnatural offences), 420 (cheating), 506 (1) (criminal intimidation) and 120 (b) (criminal conspiracy) -http://www.hindu.com/2010/03/07/stories/2010030763560100.htm This heading should be renamed to Controversy and more information should be added about the case.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohanraj1981 (talkcontribs)

One mans controversy is another mans fun. Section titles of controversy are to be avoided. That article is from fifteen months ago now, some of those charges have not been progressed and the filer of that report has since been charged himself. Off2riorob (talk) 10:58, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
There is no reason given for reverting the title 'controversy' to 'Sun News Video'. If a famous person is arrested on criminal charges, can we not call it as controversy? this content is not neutral. Arrest of Nithyananda was part all news media in India. why there is not much information about the case? There is mention about the arrest but there is no mention about reason for arrest or the criminal charges for which Nithyanada got arrested.--Mohanraj1981 (talk) 05:28, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Criticism Section[edit]

"Nithyananda, was born as Rajasekaran in January 1978 in the town of Thiruvannamalai in Tamil Nadu made famous by spiritual masters such as Arunagiri Yogeshwara, Arunagirinathar, Ramana Maharishi and Yogi Ramsuratkumar". Considering that this post is about a controversial personality, this statement is un-neccessarily and included with the implicit intent to mislead and confuse the reader. Without any doubt, Thiruvannamalai is a wonderful place and is home to many masters including Arunagiri Yogeshwara, Ramana Maharishi and Yogi Ramsuratkumar, unfortunately, it is also the native place for many rapists and personalities of questionable moral character. The fact that only yogic masters have been associated with Nithyananda, is clearly an effort to implant opinion and to equate nithyananda with other spirutual masters. So the phrases about the masters has been removed, this removal will not affect information dispensed by the sentence. Latest post now reads "Nithyananda, was born as Rajasekaran in January 1978 in the town of Thiruvannamalai in Tamil Nadu".


The existing text has been modified along with references to state cases registered against the revered swamy. A suitable reference has also been added. This line would help readers understand the reasons for the summons, magnitude of the offenses and reasons for the protests that followed. The text now reads "After release of video, Bidadi police registered case under IPC sections 376 (rape), 377 (unnatural sex), 120B (criminal conspiracy), 506 (threat to life) and 420 (cheating)[20]"

In its present form the post reads " There is, however, a wide variation in publicly reported numbers of his following ranging from 2 million [17] to a self published 10 million followers.[1]". This is again verbal dexterity and pomposity and not actual representation of the facts and the context of this info. Please read the reference. This has been modified to make these facts more verifiable. In its latest form it now reads "At the time of his arrest, NDTV speculated that he had about 2 million followers worldwide (17), while his website projects this number to 10 million (1). " — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.162.32 (talk) 16:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

The article says " He studied Yoga, Vedanta, Siddha, Tantra and other eastern metaphysical sciences from his mentors Raghupati Yogi,[13] Kuppammal, Annamalai Swami and others[1]" . Studied/studying- is a a concentrated, prolonged and evolving intellectual endeavor, that is different from experimenting, as is stated by the refferenced article from public domain. So that had been modified to reflect what is stated in the external reference- About Raghupati Yogi, INDIA TODAY says that derived this info from public domain, and is not a direct result of their investigation. The second part about Kuppammal, Annamalai Swami and others, is from their own website- both unverified. The phrases have been modified accordingly and now read " As per unverified information gathered from the public domain, he experimented with Yoga, Vedanta, Siddha, Tantra and other eastern metaphysical sciences from his mentors Raghupati Yogi,[13] Kuppammal, Annamalai Swami and others[1]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.162.32 (talk) 15:52, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

The post reads " In April 2010, Nithyananda was arrested after failing to answer bail for criminal charges regarding allegations arising after a video was released allegedly showing him in a compromising situation with a woman". This has been modified to factually portray the prominent reasons for his arrest, (cited in the reference -13), after modification the article now reads "In April 2010, Nithyananda was arrested after failing to answer bail for criminal charges including rape came up after a video was released allegedly showing him in a compromising situation with a woman" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.162.32 (talk) 15:35, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

The claim that Nityandanda was watching TV, is true. However, it is only part of the truth. Of equal importance is the detail that he was on his bed in his bedroom. So the text has been modified to illustrate fact that this "video depicts him on the bed with a sari clad women watching TV. There is no disputing the fact, that the lady was sari clad, and definitely not an infant being showered with parental affection. The text has been appropriately modified.-call_me_xyz

There is emphaisis on the response of Dhyanapeetam website, to the release of the video, calling it defamatory. Hence there should also be a counter emphasis on the fact that the TV CHANNELS stand by their claim that the clippings are original and not doctored. The wording has been subtly altered to state the same.- call_me_xyz — Preceding unsigned comment added by Call me xyz (talkcontribs) 04:53, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

The criticism section had been changed to a description of how humans cannot expect to understand and judge a divine master--basically, the editor had used the criticism section to challenge people's criticism. Upon reverting the edit, I found that the old version of the section was an equally unsourced smear against the Swami. I've removed the section entirely for the time being. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.214.25.95 (talk) 08:17, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

The neutrality of the article is not really sure. This needs to be rewritten, especially the part about Sun TV. The fact that Kanimozhi is under CBI scanner is irrelevant to the topic and adds only to the assumption that the accusations made against Nithyananda is also incorrect. Hahahari (talk) 01:29, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I was also thinking the same - as such I have reverted back to a prior more NPOV version. Off2riorob (talk) 10:39, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
I had written the section to highlight the situation between the two parties involved controversy - Nithyananda and Sun-TV. This is the first development in the case this year.. And the fact that one of the parties in the spat (Sun-TV) is being investigated for a large number of scams by the CBI and local police I felt was relevant to the case. But I am fine with the removal. I'll submit a shorter version and run it through the discuss page.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acnaren (talkcontribs) 07:36, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
I have reduced the addition to just the new news item regarding this case and removed the references to other cases filed against Sun-TV and Kalaignar-TV.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Acnaren (talkcontribs) 06:47, 21 July 2011‎

In the present post the sentence reads "He was also coronated in April 2012 as the 293rd pontiff of The Madurai Aadheenam, which is the oldest Saivite matha in south India.[13] ". Again this is an extension of the stated intent of this post and done to galvanize positive opinion. This is about a controversial character who has several pending criminal cases including rape. His annointment is a fact and should be stated. But elevatory phrases about the entity which granted this status, is unnecessary and done with an intent to project his status. This is a public encyclopedia and should be treated so. The latest sentence now reads "He was also coronated in April 2012 as the 293rd pontiff of The Madurai Aadheenam".06:11, 1 September 2012 (UTC)~call_me_xyz

An update to the controversy section has been added. This has been done with suitable refference derived from a newspaper. This would impart balance to the article. Alot of effort has been put to better the article and information. Do not delete without consensus.--Bed side volunteer (talk) 22:19, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

'Bed side volunteer', please do not give 'orders' to other editors. See wp:Ownership of articles: "All Wikipedia content is edited collaboratively." In most cases not only is consensus not required to delete edits, if the edit breaks a WP guideline such as wp:blp they are required to be reverted/deleted immediately. In fact it is an absolute requirement to do so if they are poorly sourced etc. - 220 of Borg 20:10, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Section update: The information and the so called medical record provided about Aarti Rao is only a claim of Swami Nithyananda's side and is impossible in the grounds of the US laws. Hence, this medical record claim can not be added as a fact. Medical records of an individual is highly confidential in the US; and courts, hospitals or anyone can't disclose it to public for any reason. According to the US laws this claim of Swami Nithyananda can not be true (and not legal either). Thus, I am removing this biased information in order to keep a more neutral view.

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Controvery Section - Linking only to copyrighted material and Using reliable sources[edit]

Please do not link to copyrighted material. See the copyright section of WP:CONV. Unless the video has been explicitly placed in the public domain you should not link to it. Also please use only reliable sources. Gossip magazines and Tamil Cine News don't qualify as reliable sources. See WP:RS

The Controversy section has gone through a number of revisions. As such don't bother changing it unless you are adding sufficiently new information. Also as mentioned earlier in the talk section there are enough links from reliable news sources in the article about the controversy. Do not add new links unless they add sufficient value to the article - Acnaren (talk) 03:59, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

I would like to point out that the High Court of Karnataka has banned all telecast of the morphed video or parts of the video. As such, uploading, disseminating and linking to it is illegal. Kindly refrain from doing so. http://www.breakingnewsonline.net/news/7189-hc-bans-video-broadcast-of-nithyananda-sex-tapes.html - Nithya Yogananda —Preceding undated comment added 15:25, 16 January 2012 (UTC).

The phrase "hugging and kissing" has been returned to the article because the previous phrase "compromising situation" is vague, unclear, culturally specific, and unencyclopaedic language. It invites both speculation and confusion about what actually occurred — and hugging and kissing is what occurred, something that is not regarded as compromising in many parts of the world, hence the probability of confusion. Wikipedia is international and attempts to transcend localised interpretations of language. In the West, for example, "compromising behaviour" would be widely understood to mean full sexual intercourse, but no citations have been adduced to demonstrate that intercourse occurred in this instance. Use of Tamil Cine News has been objected to while ignoring the other reliable sources. This is cherry-picking. — O'Dea (talk) 00:25, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

False information.[edit]

Saxena arrested for cheating distibutors and for telecasting nithyananda video and moreover is CEO Sun Pictures only. The link itself shows as follows :


Shows as "He was arrested in July on charges of cheating and intimidating film producers and distributors. Ten criminal cases were filed against him, of which six were quashed by the Madras high court. He has been granted bail in the remaining cases".

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-09-15/chennai/30159419_1_sun-pictures-w-hansraj-saxena-metropolitan-magistrate


Sobanbabu.b (talk) 10:55, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Nithyananda is fraud, Please remove his name from Wikipedia[edit]

Hi Sir/Madam,

Nithyananda is a fraud. He is not a saint(swami). The birth details of Nithyananda(many other details) mentioned in Wikipedia is not correct. He has given all false details. He has spoiled so many families, women, men, whoever he could try. He is seriously charged in rape cases and many criminal cases. His details in Wikipedia sends a wrong information to society, showing him as good. It is totally wrong. I was going to his ashram regularly and seen his cruelties closely. All the allegations Lenin, Arathi Rao and Vinay bharadwaj has made on Nithyananda are TRUE. Nithyananda is torturing Lenin, Arathi Rao and Vinay bharadwaj day-in and day-out. One cannot imagine the way he tortures people. Please remove Nithyananda's details from Wikipedia. For TRUTH's sake please remove nithyananda's details.(If you want I can give you more details)Satyajayate1 (talk) 04:47, 31 July 2012 (UTC).


This is a well orchestrated campaign of nityananda supporters masquerading as objective fact- presenters. Even for an untrained eye, the hymns of praise are very obvious. All reports in the news are mentioned with the pretext " alleged" and " accused" and everything that elevates his position is devoutly referenced with adjectives and referenced shamelessly to his own website. No matter , what is said here, his adventures are easily accessible on Youtube.

Here are a few gems:

"The Nithyananda Dhyanapeetam's website called the video defamatory, terming it "a mix of conspiracy, graphics and rumour". So Nityananda is the victim here, and what his ashram retorts was of primary importance and had to be mentioned. Here is the question, Why were the quotes of his accusers not mentioned anywhere ?????. If the swamy's deeds are good and honorable, no amount of malice can tarnish his image. The authors seem to be to be too insecure about the essence of their guru's convictions.

"Diverse range of meditation courses catering to a wide cross section of people [8] which he teaches at his centers and public programs. He has followers and runs ashrams in India and abroad". Note, "Diverse" "wide cross section of people", could have easily said teaches "diverse courses" and left it there. ..But AGAIN, objectivity was never the GOAL. And, what is this obsession with repeatedly emphasizing his exploits "abroad", ...Are the authors implying something???. It sounds more like an unpaid advertisement than an objective post.

For brand association, it is normal to have film personalities in advertisement campaings ranging from condoms to sanitary napkins, I do not see how the mention of VIVEK OBEOI benefits this article informatively, spiritually or even rationally. This is was done with a singular purpose of garnering attention not objectivity befitting WIKIPEDIA.

"A video showed Nithyananada hugging and kissing a woman while watching television[16] was broadcast on the Tamil television channel Sun News on 2 March 2010. This resulted in protests outside the Ashram during which a fire broke out".

Here again "hugging" and "kissing". Made it sound like an innocuous jesture done to an infant out of parental affection. The fact is he was not merely hugging and kissing a woman but it went further in a "BEDROOM". The fact that it was not broadcast on live TV, dose not mean nothing further happened…it just means that decency prevailed on part of the TV channels. I wonder if authors of this post could be this objective, if their family starred in that raunchy video. Now, that would be be a true test of trust and belief in the swamy. Apparently, fires just break out whenever the swamy is challenged. I wonder what would happen if he had to take a potency test....annihilation, i presume.

Note, no where is it mentioned that he did not hand himself to the law, the very day court summons were issued. That issue is again inconvenient to the present discourse, and thus safely ommited.

There are a million more outliers that show that this is written by someone near and dear volunteers....(personal gopikas and gopals) ( pun intended !!). The sad part is, this is not even skillfully done and blatantly shows its partisan viewpoints. He perhaps should employ more devout full-time "paid daytime volunteers".

Let him come out and say, i am human and have carnal urges like everyone else. That would be a fair point and would save you guys a lot of time on the internet. Please don't elevate a human with all his frailties to a state of divine perfection. If this is about money and propaganda, then it is certainly not about spirituality. Lastly as authors of this post, don't count too much on your objectivity and balance, maybe they are good enough for your local ashram circulars. This is a free intellectual forum ( wikipedia ) and your ramblings will be thoroughly challenged. Please stick to your websites and save yourself the embarrassment.....and for a disclaimer : i am a proud and practicing hindu who believes that BS should be exposed for its stench.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Call me xyz (talkcontribs) 22 August 2012 - Sig. added by 220 of Borg 19:24, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

This is not a free informational forum It is an encyclopedia. Dlohcierekim 02:45, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
ALL THE MORE REASON TO POPULATE ENCLYCLOPEDIA WITH FACTS AND NOT YOUR OPINION OR HALF-BAKED ASHRAM MANIFESTOS. IN THE SAME TOKEN, I WILL REFRAIN FROM, POSTING ABOUT UPCOMING MOVIES OF A CERTAIN "ACTRESS" CONNECTED TO THE SWAMY IN SOME PERVERTED NEWS ARTICLES ( I CAN DO WITH REFFERENCES, IF YOU INSIST). LET SENSE PREVAIL. IF YOU WANT TO SELL SOMETHING PAY FOR IT AND DO IT ON YOUR WEBPAGES. DONT TRY TO GALVANIZE OPINION HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.162.32 (talk) 15:19, 26 August 2012‎ - Sig. added by 220 of Borg 19:24, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I am going to restore removed referenced material and refs[edit]

It's usually not a good idea to undo the hard work of others. I would only remove sourced material after gaining consensus from other editors. This is a one time revert. Dlohcierekim 02:48, 22 August 2012 (UTC) Not reverting. The material removed is a little too gushy and some of the ref's were from the subject. Dlohcierekim 02:50, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

<<ec>>Not sure I'm following you. Thank you for trying to improve Wikipedia. Please indent by placing a : before each subsequent post in a discussion. Please sign your posts by placing four tildes after each talk page post, thusly ~~~~. Please do not "shout" by using all caps. Please see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. Please do read the guideline and policies linked in the welcome I left on your talk page. Please do realize that Wikipedia is a collaborative effort. Once again, one should discuss changes rather thansinglehandedly deciding what content should or should not be. Changes should be in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines and policies rather than personal opinions about "truth". Cheers, and happy editing Dlohcierekim 05:04, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

slow motion edit war[edit]

It has come to my attention that editors of this page are engaged in an edit war. See Wikipedia:Edit warring. User:CityOfSilver has readded material contentiously removed by user:Call me xyz who appears to be user:68.50.162.32. The material removed is cited material and a list of publications by the subject. CityofSilver has sought discourse w/ the anon. As have I w/ Call me xyz. Call me xyz comes across as hostile and threatens to remove material if re added. IMHO as a neutral 3rd party, I believe CityofSilver's adds are reasonable. I advise CityofSilver and Call me xyz to seek another outside opinion if this dispute cannot be resolved with my input. I suggest both parties carefully review WP:edit warring. Both parties should carefully read Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. I recommend that Call me xyz accept the invitation from Wikipedia:Teahouse. Perhaps they can explain matters better than I. While I was composing this post, Call me xyz redachted relevant content from talk. Please do not do this as it makes it difficult to follow a conversation. It would be better to strike material wishes to retract. Dlohcierekim 06:02, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

A : As much as this is not my field of expertise, i do appreciate your efforts to teach me web web Etiquette. With that being said, may i request you to seek differences between a objective post and a organizational manifesto. Irrespective of the groups numerical strength and collaborative efforts that come with it, facts and tone alone should have a bearing on opinion, espicially those generated by Wikipedia. If editors intend to post an objective post, they should do it responsibly taking into account, all facts and opinions. Would appreciate if this post dosent seem like an advertisement or an organization mouth piece, but more as a balanced excersise which gives a succint opinion about all the events and individuals. Self aggrandizing words are uncalled for, as much as scandalizing facts that do not agree with their agendas. For instance the line " Swami Nithyananda has developed a diverse range of meditation courses catering to a wide cross section of people(8) ", now read the external reference (8), the reference talks about the personality absconding from law. As you have said, All of us live for a passion, me perhaps for wikipedia, the editors for their cult. I do understand that this is a collaborative effort, and do appreciate your claims to neutrality. However, this post seems to be rigged by some insiders. This kind of lopsided efforts do have a bearing on wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.162.32 (talk) 12:17, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
I would request "call me xyz" and 68.50.162.32 to kindly go through WK:BLPEDIT. While I do see a few edits by people related to the subject of the article the corrections seem to be non malignant. The changes made by both of you don't add any serious encyclopedic value to the article and seem to be focused on changes to the language and tone. For instance the article already said "According to his biography, he has experimented in..". It is irrelevant to add "According to his biography, he claims to have etc". It is a sheer waste of time in making such changes that are disliked by the subject of the biography. I would also request you to read WP:BLPCRIME. While there have been a number of allegations against him you should note that no official case has been filed on him yet even after 2 years of the first FIR being filed. Also take into account WP:NOTNEWSPAPER. You don't have to add every trivial allegation against him. For instance 2 years ago 40 cases were filed on him and none of are still being processed. Listing everything is a waste of time. Acnaren (talk) 07:26, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Dear Personal volunteer, I am not sure, if i agree with you. The tone in this article is planted to extol and galvanize positive opinion on very very very controversial personality- with lot of criminal and civil cases pending against him in courts. A casual read of the article would find that all the cited refferences do not match for the information that is put forward. Trivial and inconsequential sentences are cherry picked deliberately from news reports that are either reporting his arrest or his attempt to avoid the law. For instance, check all the references cited in the article, they talk about his arrests, interestingly these very references are used to exlain his popularity and his cults social significance. His arrests get a very cursory mention as if they were misendemors, the cases include RAPE and CHEATING...please check references. If you are talking about redunduncy and inclusion of trivial facts...lets focus on a few other issues : 1) What is the point is writing about his cinema connections, without mentioning the main actress with whom the controversy started with ( for a hint chck my user name).....2) What is the point writing about writing about his drivers cases. 3) What is the point in writing up excepts from his personal webpages that talks about himself ( How about consulting WP:NOTNEWSPAPER here).. Isn't this self promotion. 4) Why was the was the most recent controversy at the Madurai matt not mention, what about his passport controversy and potency tests...they made enough newspaper headlines 5) When the organizations reply to the video release has been implicity mentioned as "DEFAMATORY", why not give his accussers a chance and cite what they think of this character/swami. After all this is a free encylcylopedia , and people should take only facts from here and not advertisement pamphlets. If you want to advertise pay for it and do it on your samies website, not here.--LoveRanjitha (talk) 14:14, 8 September 2012 (UTC)--LoveRanjitha (talk) 14:14, 8 September 2012 (UTC)LoveRanjitha
Reply to Mr. Acnaren, Could you give reference to the 40 cases pending against Nithyanada...for instance, any news article or website. We would like to include that in this post. To impart balance ato the article. Otherwise this post looks like a promotional advertisement. I will appreciate your help. LET US MAKE WIKIPEDIA BETTER.--Kama ananda (talk) 05:39, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
I am sorry Mr. Call-me-whatever. But all your changes are of malicious nature and don't reflect true journalistic intent. There is no need to refer to the abusive slur "Sex Swami" to a religious person. Also the tiger skin issue is clearly been thrown out by the police - http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/cities/regions/madurai/aadheenam-raids-yield-nothing-vital-380. By referring it to it partially you have clearly shown your intent as a party to malign the biography rather than contribute to it. As such I am forced to undo all your edits including minor ones that you have added just to add apparent credibility to your edits Acnaren (talk) 04:05, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
Mr, AC_Nareen,
All my listings are true and have been derived from Newspaper sources. There is no reason to retract them, they reflect the incidents that have happened. The issue of "SEX SWAMI" is not done to malign the character, rather it a reflection of an affectionate nickname in numerous Newspaper reports---try to google the word, the truth is glaringly evident. Regarding tiger skins, it is a fact that police registered a case, no where in the post has anything said about conviction. Now contrast my edits, with your excuses for picking selective and miniscule positive phrases from newspaper articles that amply cite arrests, deplorable bed manners, and run-ins with the law. Are we to believe that phrases such as "The Nithyananda Dhyanapeetam's website called the video defamatory, terming it "a mix of conspiracy, graphics and rumour" and selective omission of self professed disciple Ranjitha (despite affirmation of acquaintances such as Vivek Oberoi, Juhi Chawla and Narendra Modi) were done with true journalistic spirit. Take a deep breath and practise what you preach---don't be the vandal that you claim to abhor. This is a public web encyclopedia, which will have diverse verifiable accounts posted---If you want chants and Hymns of praise, you can always do so on your paid personal webpages. I have not touched any of your propaganda, try to respect diversity of facts...Afterall, this post is a reflection of the reported facts and not your wishfull thoughts. Om Shanti!!. --Call me xyz (talk) 05:45, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Symbol opinion vote.svg- I have indented posts and removed excess line spaces in an attempt to make this section more understandable. If anyone objects, just revert me! Could edtiors not familiar with it please read wp:indent and perhaps wp:Talk page guidelines which says: "Article talk pages should not be used by editors as platforms for their personal views on a subject.". - 220 of Borg 19:00, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


The controversy section has been updated following the removal of Nithyananda as the Madhurai Adeenam Pontif. All suitable Newspaper references have been cited.--Call me xyz (talk) 15:04, 20 October 2012 (UTC)--Call me xyz (talk) 15:04, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Not a 293rd pontiff of the Madurai Aadheenam,[edit]

He was removed as 293rd pontiff of the Madurai Aadheenam. Please change it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.235.145.3 (talk) 11:41, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Revising content[edit]

Naikrosh (talk) 08:51, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I am planning to revise the content on this article. Making a note here of the current issues and proposing the changes before publishing them... as it appears there has been some edit war over happening over the content. A few observations on the current state.

  1. Controversy heavy: Controversies section is disproportionately larger than the others. It has already been flagged for cleanup.
  2. Not Informative: Little information outside of controversy and scandal is provided. Needs more bio, public life etc related info.
  3. Sabotage Evidence of sabotage attempts. Many scandal related references have been tucked away in places where it is irrelevant. E.g: Right after the mention of the Date of birth a there reference to his arrest. The same reference has been repeated a few sentences later again in the context of his teachers. Similarly, information that otherwise belongs in the controversy section (like arrest) is repeated in other sections(introductory para). Analyzing history shows attempts to include profane comments
  4. Edit War: Looks like one of persons trying to sabotage and engage in has been banned and may have used different aliases in the past.

Proposed Changes: Planning to make the following changes in a phased/incremental manner:

Additional info on the following topics:

  1. Biography
  2. Public life
  3. Teachings and Meditation Programs

Changes:

  1. Minor cleanups to controversies section.. to meet standards of objectivity.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Naikrosh (talkcontribs) 05:10, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Naikrosh (talk) 07:46, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Expanded biography[edit]

I am going ahead and adding the expanded Biography section.

Swami Nithyananda's Main teachings to the common man is to follow the four principles ( Four Tathwas) that is Integrity , Authenticity , Responsibility & Enriching Self and others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kanchiraja (talkcontribs) 12:38, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Self-promoting and unreferenced biography + removed reliable reference from controversy[edit]

The article, especially the "Biography" section, is full of poorly referenced contents written in a self-promotion style (see WP:SPS and WP:SOURCES for guidelines).

Moreover it seems many of the earlier well-referenced contents from the "Controversy" section have been removed (see this diff for example).

The article needs thorough cleaning and improvement. I am adding a COI tag to the biography section. Please do not remove it until all the issues are resolved through discussions in the talk page. - Subh83 (talk | contribs) 19:56, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. Since the biography had no reliable reference i have deleted it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lookinhotbra (talkcontribs) 18:40, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

As addressed by Subh83, There are many issues with this article. The entire biographies section violates wikipedia's neutral point of view WP:NOR, Thus it should be deleted. Lookinhotbra 04:47, 14 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lookinhotbra (talkcontribs)

Also, Many of the articles published on may 2013 were DELETED by the user Acnaren without any discussion even though the article had reliable information FROM NATIONAL DAILY NEWSPAPERS. Lookinhotbra 04:51, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

addressing concerns[edit]

Subh83 With respect to your comment "From single source". For any living person's biography there can really be only one source for his biographic material. Consequently this comment seems unreasonable.

Secondly with respect to "until all the issues are resolved". Could you provide a specific list of issues would be useful. That will allow targeted discussion to address them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naikrosh (talkcontribs) 18:03, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Regarding "there can really be only one source for his biographic material". No, that is not the case. The policy that governs this is WP:BLP. Compliance is mandatory. Sean.hoyland - talk 12:01, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

User Lookinhotbra is vandalizing page[edit]

User Lookinhotbra has begun vandalism on this page and editing willy nilly without discussion. Request Lookinhotbra to behave or this will be reported. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.65.195.57 (talk) 06:04, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I complied with wikipedia's rules of WP:NOR, WP:SPS and WP:SOURCES and wikipedia's policies before deleting the article. Go ahead and report to anyone you want to. Lookinhotbra 04:51, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Spiritual wandering[edit]

Please provide relevant references for the spiritual wandering section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lookinhotbra (talkcontribs) 11:07, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Ive deleted this section as no references have been provided Lokayata91 (talk) 18:42, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

PLEASE DISCUSS HERE BEFORE MAKING FURTHER EDITS[edit]

It is futile to engage in revert wars and edit wars.Please discuss any edits here before making changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lokayata91 (talkcontribs) 04:24, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Introduction[edit]

The introduction should describe how he came to world-wide prominence and got gobal media attention (since that's what qualifies him as notable, deserving a wikipedia article). Something along the line of "he came to limelight worldwide for the first time when a video allegedly featuring him along with a South Indian actress in a compromising position went viral on the internet and TV", as quoted in this article, would do. But may require a better euphemism, given that it's a sentence in introduction. - Subh83 (talk | contribs) 16:25, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Section on recent child rights violation accusations[edit]

Added this section on a recent event: Swami_Nithyananda#Child_rights_violation_in_Bidadi_ashram. Please feel free to expand and improve. - Subh83 (talk | contribs) 16:43, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

The child rights violation event has already been covered in the "en:Education section". Lokayata91 (talk) 16:50, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Dear All,

I would like to ask a question. Can we remove the old content available on this page that has no link with this person now and is indirectly affecting his upcoming life? If yes then please remove the below mentioned content from this page as its too old and now the issue has been resolved and its appearance over here is again and again bringing this issue in front of everyone.

Content to be remove is as mentioned below:

Controversy Sun TV scandal A video that apparently showed Nithyananda engaging in sexual acts with women, allegedly Tamil film actress Ranjitha, was broadcast on the Tamil television channel Sun News on 2 March 2010.[20][21][22] This incident also resulted in protests outside the ashram during which a fire broke out. While the channels stand by their claim that the film clip is original, Nithyananda Dhyanapeetam's website insists that the videos are morphed and defamatory in nature.[23] On March 4, Nithyananda made an application to a civil court in Chennai, seeking an injunction blocking further broadcasting of the video material.[24] Responding to the media reports, Nithyananada said that he was in a "state of samadhi" (trance) when the video was made and that the tape had been "misinterpreted, morphed and manipulated" during an interview with Times Now on 13 March 2010.[25][26] In another followup interview to Outlook magazine, he claimed that an earlier mutation had rendered him incapable of sex.[27] After release of the video, Bidadi police registered cases under Indian Penal Code sections 376 (rape), 377 (unnatural sex), 120B (criminal conspiracy), 506 (threat to life) and 420 (cheating).[28][29] After evading summons for 49 days, Nithyananda was arrested on April 21, 2010 in Arki in Himachal Pradesh by Bangalore Police with the help of the police of Himachal[30] and the interrogation was done in Bangalore by the CID of the Bangalore Police.[31] On 11 June 2010 Nithyananda was granted bail, and was released from judicial custody after 52 days in Ramanagaram sub-jail. In October 2010, the releaser of the video who worked as Nithyananda's driver was charged by Bidadi police under several sections of the IPC with accusations of defaming Nithyananda through distributing the video.[32] Subsequently, in July 2011, Nithyananda's ashram filed a complaint against Sun TV Network, claiming they were the agents behind what the ashram alleged was a morphed video and the repeated telecasting of it.[33] On February 2013, the High Court of Karnataka quashed two FIRs against Nithyananda, one pertaining to his activities at the ashram and the other over alleged assault on a pro-Kannada leader[34] Accusations by Arathi Rao Arathi Rao, a former follower of Nithyananda, gave a detailed account of her five-year experience with the guru. She alleged that Nithyananda repeatedly raped her and threatened her with dire consequences if she revealed it to anybody. Arathi also claimed that it was she who had secretly filmed Nithyananda's sex tapes with a Tamil actress.[35] The ashram held a press conference which ended abruptly, the devotees and some journalists had heated arguments and they even exchanged blows. Later, activists of the Nava Karnataka Nirmana Vedike stormed the ashram to protest against the alleged attack on the media.[36] Karnataka Chief Minister Sadananda Gowda ordered the police to arrest the guru and seal his ashram.[37] On June 13, Nithyananda surrendered himself before a court in Ramanagaram. He was released on bail the next day and the ashram was unsealed a few days later.[38][39] In August 2012, after failing to appear for a court-directed sexual potency test, passports of Nithyananda and 30 of his associates were seized at Delhi Airport.[40] Following this event, widespread resentment of Nithyanandas was reported at Madhurai Adheenam by various section of the media.[41] Mahamandelshwar and Madurai Adheenam controversies In June 2012, a Hindu organization in Tamil Nadu, filed a petition in Madurai court against Nithyanada alleging misuse of Madhurai Adheenam mutt for practicing immoral activities and for serving holy water laced with drugs.[42] On October 12, 2012, Arunagirinatha Desikar, the 292nd head of Madurai Adheenam mutt, who had earlier anointed Nithyananda as his successor in April 2011, an appointment widely condemned at the time by Hindu religious bodies and the government, sacked him after pressure mounted from the state government and other Hindu religious and charitable organisations.[43] Following this decision, Sri Arunagirinathar sought police protection, citing threats to life from Nithyananda disciples.[43] In another related incident, pursuing eye witness accounts alleging widespread usage of tiger pelts and elephant tusks within the ashram, Madurai police opened cases against Nithyananda under the Wildlife Protection Act.[44] In February 2013, Swami Nithyananda was conferred the title of Mahamandaleshwar of the Mahanirvani akhara during the Kumbh Mela in Prayag. The event was a closed ceremony and the Deccan Herald described it as "clandestine". The appointment met with protests from some other akharas and saints as traditionally the Mahakumbh officials are invited as are other akharas. Narendra Giri, the mahant of Niranjani akhara, was quoted as saying "Though it is the prerogative of the akharas to confer the title of Mahamandaleshwar, one has to see whether the person is fit for the same. The title is given to the saints, who have selflessly served the mankind. Nityananda does not deserve the title." Ravi Shankar also criticized the conferment. The Mahanirvani akhara defended its action. Mahant Ravindra Puri was quoted as saying "Nityananda may have been facing charges, but it is his personal life and we have nothing to do with that. We should keep in mind that the charges have not yet been proved."[45][46]

Thank you

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Seems to be a clear move to whitewash page as the requested change is a deletion of the entire controversy section. Cannolis (talk) 09:39, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Want to remove the Controversy section because whatever allegations have been mentioned over here were later proven false by the court. Also, the content is too old and now if people go through this content then they may make a wrong perception about swami nithyananda. Wikipedia is to give genuine and current information to the folks but here the news is too old and its appearance online on this page may put wrong perception in people'e mind. X mark.svg Not done - As already explained above - we do not re-write or whitewash history Arjayay (talk) 13:54, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

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Then whats the right way to get this controversy section removed? Please explain — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravindaran Shastri (talkcontribs) 06:02, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I also want to remove the Controversy part because here are so many points available in it that are based on non-factual error. And if I also cannot then please tell how can it we done? Also, want to add few points like "http://nithyananda.org/news/us-federal-court-issues-nearly-half-million-dollar-judgement-against-false-victim-aarthi-s-rao"....So, please un-protect this page.

X mark.svg Not done - If other arguments to censor the article didn't work, why would just saying "I want to remove the controversy part" work? Did you not read any of the previous discussion? Ian.thomson (talk) 13:45, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

add this news[edit]

kindly add this news http://www.tamilus.com/nithyananda-tested/131 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tamilus (talkcontribs) 19:09, 9 September 2014 (UTC)