Talk:Park Geun-hye

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Wish list[edit]

  • how did she get a doctorate while also being university president?
I will ask my wife, see what she knows. My wife is a Sungshim HS grad, 3 years ahead of Geunhye. --Dan 18:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
According to the Yeongnam University site [1], she was not president but chair of the board of trustees. My wife expresses a high degree of certainty that her doctorate from a Taiwan University is honorary and politically motivated. She says such things are very common for people who are well-connected in Korea. --Dan 15:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Park received an honorary doctoral degree in literature in 1987 and three more honorary degrees from Korean universities. the 'Early life and Education' section of the article has been revised accordingly. Hkwon (talk)
  • how closely involved in PCH administration?
not understanding this. She was a young woman, student when her father was in power, & the PCH administration was largely military/male. Women were not in political (or economic) power at the time. --Dan 18:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
She had acted as the first lady of South Korea in diplomatic events for her father since the assisination of her mother Yuk Young-soo. Nothing more than that as far as I know. Hkwon (talk) 02:58, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
  • relationship to recent inquiries into PCH legacy?
Don't understand what the "recent inquiries" are. Hkwon (talk) 02:58, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
  • I wonder what her political views are, where she'll take the country if elected president. My impression is she plays her cards pretty close to her chest, and is in the Hannaradang because of her family connection and because it's what the folks who elected her to legislature want. I suspect she's more liberal than most of her party, but I don't really have anything to pin that on. --Dan 18:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
As far as I know, she is a South Korean politician with the most right-wing view compared to her contemporaries who are currently prominent, at least more than Lee Myung Bak, the current president. Most politicians who served in the PCH administration had turned their back to the PCH legacy after the assassination, and she struggled hard by herself to obtain her current status, though the beginning of her political career might be initially boosted by her family connection, by who still admired her parents. Hkwon (talk) 02:58, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
  • No Mention of her visit to DPRK in 2002 ?? She even sit down and talked with Kim Jong Il ->

http://www1.korea-np.co.jp/pk/180th_issue/2002052501.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.26.109.175 (talk) 19:57, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Where do those election results come from?[edit]

- Unsourced election results on English Wiki/Partial election results on Korean Wiki Where do those election results come from? They aren't sourced. The are the same as the partial results on the Korean wikipedia (which only lists the results of winning candidates). None of those pages have sources either. 24.119.66.22 (talk) 00:12, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

As of June 2012, all election results have sources that you can verify online. And to my knowledge they were sourced in the past too (at least from 2011). I am 100% sure that nothing could have changed who the winners are in those elections, though. Hkwon (talk) 21:18, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Romanization of Korean name: Park vs Bak[edit]

The title of the article is "Park" Geun-hye, not "Bak" Geun-hye. "Park" is according to the McCune–Reischauer Romanization of Korean spellings, and the New York Times and BBC article about Park follows this common format too. I would appreciate it if anyone who wants to challenge this romanization would raise the issue in the talk page first, show appropriate evidences supporting his/her argument, and get user consensus before just going ahead and make name changes. For now, I will undo the name changes in the main article. Hkwon (talk) 19:59, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Since the user Nehankun changed every "Park" to "Bak" using autochange function, even the link to the person's Webpage is dead too. Park Geun-hye wants her family name "Park" -> http://www.parkgeunhye.or.kr/ , now it became http://www.Bakgeunhye.or.kr . This imprudent spelling change also killed many Korean name in-links as well. I hope I can recover all of them. Hkwon (talk) 20:12, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Um...someone is vandalizing the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.248.18.57 (talk) 03:17, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

"Park" is the commonly accepted romanization due to convention, just as "Kim" and "Lee" are used for 김 (Gim) and 이 (I) respectively. See Korean name. — MK (t/c) 03:53, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Clean-up needed[edit]

Since Ms. Park will be head of state of a major country and will get many hits, the article's syntax should be improved. Kdammers (talk) 11:56, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Go for it.IrishStephen (talk) 03:54, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Assassination of mother[edit]

The current wording makes it sound like her mother was the assassin's target, but really the assassin was targeting her father and missed. Source: Bruce Cumings, Korea's Place in the Sun (Heroeswithmetaphors) talk 23:39, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Father's presidential term[edit]

Someone keeps on reverting my edit and restoring the misinformation that her father, Park Chung Hee was President from 1961 to 1979. That is false. Yes, he led a military coup in 1961 and took control of the government, but did not assume the title of President until 1963. David Cannon (talk)

Religion[edit]

Why is she being listed as a Buddhist ???In these links it clearly says that she is atheist not a Buddhist are they wrong ???

Vargmali (talk) 10:51, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Apparently most of the western world isn't certain either...

"Park Geun-Hye , may be an atheist , running against a Roman Catholic liberal. I say may be because there are some confusions over Park Geun-Hye’s religious identity. Her parents were Buddhist, she was baptized as a young woman as a Roman Catholic, and seems to have drawn without much discrimination from a variety of religious teachings to inform her world-view. It wouldn't be shocking if Park Geun-Hye was an atheist. According to the World Values Survey ~25% of South Koreans are convinced atheists".[1]

and this

"Park has been interested in religion from her days in the Blue House. She graduated from Sacred Heart Girl’s High School and Sogang University, operated by the Catholic Church. She was baptized under the name Juliana. Since Park acted as the First Lady of the Blue House, she has kept a special relationship with pastor Choi Tae-min,... Park’s mother Yuk Young-soo was a devout Buddhist. Park was influenced by Buddhist doctrines as well as by Catholicism. In 2005 she was given a Buddhist name from Donghwa Temple in Daegu. The given name ‘Seondeokhwa’ followed the same meaning of the Queen Seondeok of the Silla dynasty. After Park left the Blue House, she devoured various kinds of religious books. She wrote in her diary on May 31, 1982, “Nirvana is when one’s emotional flames are completely extinguished.” Park is the one who has tried to depict herself as a messiah. On her diaries in the late 80s and early 90s, she even tended to identify herself with Jesus or Buddha."[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shieldwolf (talkcontribs) 18:27, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

BLP states that somebody's religion is ambiguous, best not to include it at all. Worst thing you can do is list a religion and the person is not an adherent of it.


there are pictures of her burning incense at the alter of her father, though that doesn't affiliate her with any particular religion I really think listing her as atheist is incorrect. best just leave blank until there is a definitive answerRandNoel (talk) 00:46, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Title and Naming Conventions[edit]

Park is currently referred in the news as President-elect Park. After her inauguration will she President Park, Madame Park, or Madame President? I've seen all three titles thrown about, but I don't know the ROK's naming and title conventions for the western English speaking readers. Since she is the first ROK female I suspect there wasn't one until now and have yet to learn what it is.

I also think it inappropriate to refer to her as Ms. Park (a modern western terminology for unmarried women) certainly not appropriate either in Korea or as a head of State. The Mme Park terminology is more correct for her as an Adult Asian Leader. {{subst:1=Shieldwolf|2=18:41, 18 February 2013 (UTC)}}

As far as titles, female presidents are usually referred to as "Madam(e) Present".
In Korea, the formal President Pak or President Pak Geun-Hyue.
( Um, I have spoken Korean for at least 20 years. ).
The is no Ms or Madame in Korean. They use the name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.200.41.67 (talk) 11:30, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Political standpoints[edit]

Shouldn't the article have some information on what she believes in and wants to change? North Korea, for example. This article only talks about electoral history, early life, and criticism. Jeremjay24 16:52, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Go for it. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 15:30, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Park's religious beliefs[edit]

Hi all,
There is a reliable reference that indicates that Park is an atheist. Having no religious affiliation is not the same as being an atheist, nor is it the same as irreligion. "No Religion" redirects to "irreligious", and it would be a gross WP:BLP violation to suggest that Park is hostile towards religion.
The infobox currently reads:

|religion = none (atheist)

It would appear to me that linking "none" to "no religion" would appear to indicate that Park is irreligious in its pejorative sense. Perhaps it would be just better removed?
--Shirt58 (talk) 10:09, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

I think it should be changed to just "atheist", as the source states, or, if not, removed altogether. (I am the one who added that with the source.) HueSatLum 22:08, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
The reliable source states unequivocally that she's an atheist. That fact is what should appear here until another source says different. If that ever happens, then there will be a need for debate. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 23:00, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
She is not atheist. She never stated her religion.--Iloverussia (talk) 18:57, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
It is not reliable source. it is false report. she is religious woman.--182.222.26.71 (talk) 19:10, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Find the source to support your claim and discuss then. Also, why do you say that the current source is non-reliable? Can you support that claim? GenQuest "Talk to Me" 21:29, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

She is religious woman.[2](OhmyNews)--Iloverussia (talk) 05:07, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

I asked that we find alternate-view sources (if any existed) so it could be discussed. Instead, you unilaterally reverted the existing, cited (in English) RS (Korea Times) which unequivocally reports her atheist stand; to offer up instead something (untranslated) in Korean? Can you at least translate what is in that article so a discussion can be had? Is "Oh My News" a news organization with editorial oversight? A news service? A blog? Someone's personal web page? I'll remind you that this is the English Wikipedia. An untranslated "source" is not that reliable. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 05:36, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
See further edit warring discussion here.
I just took a look at that article via a translator. It shows her going to a buddhist temple, but it actually never states that she , herself, is a buddhist, and that's important for a living person. We need reliable sourcing saying "so and so states they are a ( insert religious belief or practice). "

This article never states anything like this. I also can't tell if this is reliable either . We'd probably need a native speaker for that .  KoshVorlon. We are all Kosh ...  17:22, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

According to the Hankyoreh article (in English): "She was baptized under the name Juliana." and "In 2005 she was given a Buddhist name from Donghwa Temple in Daegu." --Prime number (talk) 03:48, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

And that all comes from having a Catholic father and Buddhist mother. The key word in that article is "was". Both events are either from her childhood, or a result of her upbringing.
  • There is little dispute that she was both baptized Catholic, and schooled by Buddhists. Those points are not in dispute.
  • The article you refer to pictures her visiting a temple in honor/memory of her mother. Of course she is going to go thru the religious motions required of her hosts out of respect for the believers there, just as she would if visiting a church. She is, after all, first and foremost a politician. The article never states what her religious view is.
  • The current stated—and cited—article from The Korea Times CLEARLY states she now considers herself atheist. You can't get any less ambiguous than that. It being a reliable source forces any other statement to the contrary to be 1) just as reliable; 2) state just as unambiguously something else; and 3) it would also have to post-date the current cited article (indicating there has been a change of some sort since the date the cited article was published).
To try to infer anything else from Hankyoreh article is Wikipedia:Synthesis. ThanX. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 10:44, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

The article was revised. Headline will be revised soon.--Iloverussia (talk) 11:34, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

"Park Geun-hye has never married and admits to being an atheist." AsiaNews. Keri (talk) 17:45, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
It is false report! I inquired Korea Times journalist. The article was revised. She does not describe herself as an atheist.[3](previous) [4](current)--Iloverussia (talk) 00:24, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
See above discussion. You're now saying that is a false news report in an established newspaper? That you'd have to prove. Reverted GenQuest "Talk to Me" 01:03, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
The news was revised.--Iloverussia (talk) 03:21, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Dr.K.[edit]

Wikipedia inside-editor "Dr.K." is a socialist and anti-capitalist, and -- unsurprisingly -- dislikes anything related to South Korea. He is infamous for using his Wikipedia connections to diminish articles about South Korea -- be it South Korea's government, politics, or culture. Mars Owls 1 (talk) 03:41, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Free Trade Agreement[edit]

Should we mention that the free trade agreement with Canada that was concluded under her presidency? Perhaps under Foreign Policy or Economic Policy? The Morphix (talk) 00:17, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

  1. ^ Conservative atheists not rare in South Korea?
  2. ^ Theme 2: A conservative messiah?