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Under representation of Pakistani Pashtuns in Famous Pashtuns[edit]

Many Pashtuns from Pakistan greater in stature than Karzai have not been represented eg. Khushal Khan Khattak, Pareshan Khattak, Rehman Baba, Ayub Khan, Ghulam Ishaq Khan etc.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.27.230.123 (talk) 10:44, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

But Hamid Karzai is very well known by everyone in Pakistan, Afghanistan and the rest of the world. For example, anywhere you go in the world and ask a common person on the street who Hamid Karzai is and they will likely say President of Afghanistan. If you do the same for the guys you listed, they will scratch heads and say I don't know. The guys you listed are popular figures only in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa area. Even neighboring people (i.e. Punjabis, Sindhis, Baloch and much of Afghans) have no idea who they are.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 21:29, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

but bro, everybody know who was ayub khan, who was younis khan and jansher khan squash champion,,, no body apart from some afghans know who is zalmay khalid or people like him who are in pictures. we need to be impartial but this article seems to belong to afghans not to pashtuns,Rahman baba is known by everyone, hamza shinwari famous poet, ghulam ishaq khan president of pakistan, it seems u can include people like tarzi and zalmay who not even afghan know who they were but u cant include hamza shinwari, and his likes.

What do you mean by "everybody"? Ayub Khan was a non-Pashto-speaking Awan (Hindko-speaking). His son claims he and his father do not belong to the Pashtun group. You seem to be biased toward Afghans. Zalmay Khalilzad (without any dispute) belongs to the Pashtun group, he is a globally recognized person who became the first Muslim and first person from the Afghanistan region to become US ambassador. You have a very weird way of thinking. This article does not belong to Pashtuns, Afghans, Pakistanis or anyone else, we follow basic Wikipedia rules in choosing which image is put in the image box and which to remove. It is irrelevant who Afghans know and don't know. The people you named do not have free images.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 12:48, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

The thing is i mean you. Because you are an Afghan nationalist who does nothing but edit articles according to his own mind. I have cited ayub khan as belonging to tareen tribe of pashtuns and is much more famous than saif ali khan or likes like him. Also younis khan is world class cricket player while you have added muhammad nabi who is just a rookie cricketer. Better be impartial as this will escalate further as what you are showing is that you are correct. in the history of edits it is clearly seen that many people before me have pointed out that we need to add more pakistani pashtuns and pakistani pashtuns are more famous then afghans but seems like thsi article is being controlled by you alone and you wont let anybody add anything in it. Saladin1987 00:45, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

okay bro. Ayub khan is already there and as for younis khan remove him and add the cosmonaut abdul ahad mohmand. i think theres enough kings and presidents and it should diversify the gallery. Saadkhan12345 (talk) 08:03, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2014[edit]

Dear Admins, I've counted the Pashtun population in Bangladesh and it is over 400,000. I would really like to see my country's name there. Also many Pashtuns back in 1600-1700's migrated to Eastern Bangladesh with their family because of war and stuff. My whole family and my Paternal Grandma's Great-Great-Great-Great Grandpa stayed in Brahmanbaria,Bangladesh because he was a warrior and had to hide. His name was Ali Akbar Mirza Khan. He was from Northern Pakistan and he married a Kashmiri. Thanks Pal, Cheers.

Pashtun Pride from Bangladesh

Realpashtunbhai (talk) 22:42, 30 November 2014 (UTC) Thanks I hope you put Bangladesh's population number too.

If you can provide a published reliable source for the number, we can add it. We don't base article content on contributors' own research. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:56, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 23:15, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

No toleration of under representation of Pakistani Pashtuns[edit]

Pakistani pashtuns have been greatly underrepresented in this article, it seems its only related to Afghan pashtuns, people like zalmay khalid and other non famous afghan pashtuns have been added but people like hamza baba, rahman baba, ghulam ishaq khan, younis khan , jansher khan etc have been deliberately ignored. instead non pashtuns like shahrukh and salman and even salim khan have been placed, dilip kumar being a hindkowan has been added, but any more partiality will be dealt in the form of reporting. ThanxSaladin1987 00:58, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

I very much doubt that trying to report people for not adding content to an article would get very far. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:10, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanx for the prompt response. Its just this guy has been dealing with this article in a very prejudiced manner, this article is ethnic based article and it should keep the names and images of those who are factually proved as pashtuns via family line or blood line and have been cited. He has added the images of those people who merely claim to be pashtuns and are neither nationaly no linguistically pashtun. if you look at the history of the edits of this article you will clearly see many pakistani pashtuns showing their concern regarding their under representation while pakistani pashtuns have got the most population amongst pashtuns. to my surprize is that even indian pathans are more in number than pakistan pure pashto speaking ethnically pashtun people. Krzyhorse22 (talk · contribs) is pointing out at my blocks, but he fails to understand that those blocks are not recent and were long time ago. My request is that this article should be ethnically related so people like saif ali khan, shahrukh khan, zareen khan who merely have their memories as their proof of being pashtun shouldnt be added to this article. If they are added then pure pashtuns like Ayub khan, Younis khan should be here too. in the history of edits it is clearly seen that many people before me have pointed out that we need to add more pakistani pashtuns and pakistani pashtuns are more famous then afghans but seems like thsi article is being controlled by you alone and you wont let anybody add anything in it. Saladin1987 00:51, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

AndyTheGrump, just want to tell you that this Saladin1987 (talk · contribs) is not here to improve articles but rather is vandalizing and destroying them. He is a Pakistani nationalist who is on a crusade removing references to Afghan and Afghanistan from articles of famous people. [1] [2] [3] This is very disruptive, he has been blocked several times. [4] The last time for a month, and he's still doing it.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 12:52, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Can't speak for Saladin but I agree that there need to be more Pakistani Pashtuns on this page. The largest Pashtun population in the world is in Pakistan. It makes sense. Hurvashtahumvata888 (talk) 13:15, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

actually pashtuns history goes back quite far and so to say "there needs to be more pakistani pashtuns is not correct" since pakistan came into being in 1947.

Vandalism in the image section?[edit]

Why are Sharukh Khan, Madubala and Salim Khan included in the picture gallery? There is no proof that any of them are Pashtun or have ever spoken Pashto. I have also noticed a sense of predijuce by pakistani Pashtuns who tend to replace images of Afghan Pashtuns with Pakistani Pashtuns for their own dismay, why is there no action being taken here?

Akmal94 (talk) 09:19, 17 February 2015 (UTC)Akmal94

The image gallery has been tampered with AGAIN! 3 new pictures have been added while removing the old ones without permission, this is clearly vandalism on behalf of Pakistani Pashtuns and i feel like this mascarade will continue until they are satisfied. I urge wikipedia and its staff to take immediate measures against these anonymous users.Akmal94 (talk) 05:25, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

so sad this article is fully dominated by afghanis[edit]

muhammad nabi a cricketer, nobody even knows him outside Afghanistan is in the picture but no jan sher khan who is world known squash champion. no younis khan lol. but all stupid afghans are present who have done nothing except for their own self. This article needs to be revised on the basis of equality and remember pakistani pashtuns are far more than your afghanistan pashtuns. Rest in peace wikipedia and this article which is being manipulated by afghans for their own interests. i will continue replacing unknown afghans in the article until admins fix the equality principleSaladin1987 02:24, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

AND nobody knows who Younas Khan or Sher Khan is outside of Pakistan, all your doing is trying to compete with Afghan Pashtuns to see which countries can be displayed on the image area the most. Population doesn't change the fact that Afghan Pashtuns were and still are the most influential group of Pashtuns. Also, to add Mohammad Nabi is the captain of the Afghan cricket team and a fine cricketer as well. I would also cut down on the personal insults as it can get you reported.Akmal94 (talk) 23:30, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


Dont be so naive mr akmal, every leader was born in pashtunhawa , ahmed shah abdali wad born here , sher shah was born here , lodhi was born here . All cricketers were born here shahid afridi, imran khan, younis khan etc and all squash champions were born here . Jan sher khan is best squash champion of te world . Lol at muhammad nabi who is not even known in peshwar. Only the ones who have remained influential have been the one who have been dominated by dari culture. If u remove anything i will surely report you. This article is full of your biased views . People in the world know pakistan for pashtuns and afghanistan dor dari hazra people . Nobody even knows pashtuns exist in afghanistan except americans . Pakistan has been the main countrt of pashtun as there are 40 million including ur ungratefull ones who lived in pak ate in pak and spk against pak. Thankyou

Your kidding right? This is exactly what i am talking about. You seem to be in some kind of inferiority complex to Afghan Pashtuns and along with your other Pakistani Pashtun brethren's who try to stem your jealousy on to Afghans. Just for the record, there was NO such thing as "Pakhtunkwha" or Pakistan 50 years ago therefore none of the aforementioned historical individuals can be considered "Pakistani" and none of the have been born in that region as you claim. Instead of speaking blather and having such a nationalistic frame of thought, i would advise you to ask anyone who know's who Pashtuns are what country they come from and the answer no doubt will be Afghanistan. Why? because unlike Pakistan where Pashtuns are a minority, Afghanistan has a majority Pashtun population while Pakistan is mostly Punjabi dominated and is seen closer to India culturally. Everybody from Indians to Arabs, or Americans like you put it see Pashtuns as Afghans since that is the name they have been historically been called by. Lastly, this page is NOT for you or anybody else to edit to spread propaganda, this article is meant to talk about Pashtuns as a people as a whole without pasty and nonsensical edits for your own lucrative agenda. Akmal94 (talk) 08:01, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

lol, u stay under delusions my frend, pashtunhawa has been used in abdalis poetry and sher sha suris, well both were born in pakistan side. there was no Afghanistan abt 200 years ago but land was there. similarly there was no pakistan but land was there, read history u will find ur ancestors hindus too under hindu shahi dynasty, but u think ur afghan pashtuns were muslims before islam came, lol sindh was buddist, everybody else was a hindu, u watch bollywood movies more than we pakistani do, u beg to join india love india not we, thing is u cant change history as its a shame that u are a majority in afghanistan but dari is official language, while we are minority and rule pakistan throughout, karachi islamabad rawalpindi, quetta , peshawar main cities are under our business while u have to deal with dari as its official language used in courts, police etc

Ahmad Shah was born in Herat, not on the "pakistan side," nor was Sher Shah born in "Pakistan" either, he was born in India. Afghanistan has been a country since 1747 which makes it about 300 years old. Join India? LOL nobody in Afghanistan wants to "join" India, your just speaking out of your arse now. Afghanistan has 2 official languages, Pashto and Dari and Dari is used for business purposes just like you Paki Pathans use Urdu, not Pashto as the language for main communication in Pakistan. I would advise you and many other Pakistani Pashtuns to make Pashto the official language of Pakistan and in Pakhtunkhwa. In Pakistan, especially in Karachi, Pashtuns are ridiculed and as seen as "parasites" due to the fact that they are putting native karachites out of business, and Pathan jokes are prevalent. Back to the topic; DON'T change or make false edits or you will be dealt with an oh, please sign after your done posting, its part of wiki's rules. Akmal94 (talk) 21:15, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Non-Pashto-speaking Pashtuns?[edit]

I like the present image gallery in the infobox - it is more properly arranged with respect to the years of birth (from 1486 for Sher Shah Suri up to 1997 for Malala Yousafzai) than the previous gallery this article had. However, non-Pashto-speaking should be removed from it, there are four of them currently there: Ayub Khan Tareen, Salim Khan, Shah Rukh Khan, and Imran Khan. Khestwol (talk) 08:26, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

I agree, it would be better to add Pashto-speaking or Pashtunized Pashtuns. Mar4d (talk) 13:02, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Rahman Baba and Khushal Khan should also be removed, they're pictures are not even free anyways.Akmal94 (talk) 18:02, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

I disagree. Khushal Khattak and Rahman Baba are 2 of the most famous early Pashtun writers. They can't be removed from there. Khestwol (talk) 08:49, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Now, to bring the total back to 24, 4 new entries must be made. The gallery seems short of females, and of media personalities. I suggest adding Jahangir Khan, Zallascht Sadat, Hamza Shinwari, and Naghma. Each of them has enough fame, is accepted as Pashtun, and is a native Pashto-speakers. Note: among them there are 2 famous persons coming from each side of the political border, for political neutrality. If any other user has a better suggestion, kindly discuss it here. Khestwol (talk) 08:49, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

please remove shahrukh khan who is a kashmiri whose blood cousin testified it, saif ali khan is pathan and that too half hindu, put jan sher khan, jahangir khan, naghma, rahim shah, zeb and hania, there is no younis khan, majid kh but muhammad nabi is there , Saladin1987 05:34, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Janghhair Khan is NOT Pashtun nor does he speak Pashto, i agree that Naghma should be added onto here, her husband is from Peshawar. Akmal94 (talk) 21:04, 3 March 2015 (UTC)