Talk:Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

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Jonathan Gruber's "Stupid Americans" controversy[edit]

People are already forgetting that Jonathan Gruber's gaffe isn't just what he thinks about the American people, he has also exposed the fraudulent mechanisms behind what lead to the passage of the PPACA in the first place.

In other words, Jonathan Gruber did not just come on camera, say the four words "American voters are stupid", and then go back home. He has said on numerous videos that the lies and trickery that was required to get the PPACA (aka Obamacare) past the American voters, is what makes the American voter stupid.

If that cannot make it into the PPACA's content, considering how important Jonathan Gruber was/is to PPACA, then there is a violation of NPOV somewhere. Everybody is trying to distance themselves from Gruber now, but a few years ago his role was not in doubt.

Just the CBO sections alone need a wholesale re-write, to take into consideration the lies and trickery.

The entire page is a violation of NPOV. It is bought, paid for and monitored for the purposes of promoting the subject material.

It's extremely hard to get around these editors' tight control of their narratives. For example, I tried editing JournoList in an impartial manner using sources from all political aisles (see:, and editors and administrator friends reverted my changes without a citing a justifiable reason that was consistent with Wikipedia's guidelines. They instead inserted original research to make it seem as if JournoList was a conservative conspiracy. They also used ad hominem attacks against me and blocked me even though I followed all Wikipedia guidelines. It's appalling what these activist editors do to manipulate the public.Sy9045 (talk) 04:37, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

king v halbig[edit]

No mention of these suits? I realize they are not directly challenging the ACA, but rather the IRS implementation of the ACA, but surely we should link the user over to them? Gaijin42 (talk) 16:27, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Especially as King is at the Supreme Court, it's a no-brainer. Support a section highlighting the two lawsuits with main article links to each at the top. Thargor Orlando (talk) 16:31, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
Currently we have a combined article for all the suits, since they are arguing all the same issues (and have now all been put into abeyance except for king which will resolve them all) Gaijin42 (talk) 16:35, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I agree. I see King v. Burwell in the See also. Ottawahitech (talk) 16:08, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Silver plan deleted from Wikipedia[edit]

FYI I had created redirects to help readers find definitions of Bronze plan, Silver plan, Gold plan and platinum plan, but all four have been deleted. Maybe someone else knows how to help readers without upsetting wiki-rules? Ottawahitech (talk) 16:04, 13 December 2014 (UTC)