Talk:Patrician (ancient Rome)

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Etymology: Latin, not Greek.[edit]

Somebody has messed up the etymological information in this article with some irrelevant information from Greek. The word patrician comes from Latin, not Greek. Greek is a beautiful and extremely important language, but it is no more relevant to the etymology of patrician than is Swedish, Albanian, Hindi, Persian, or any other Indo-European language.

Although the Greek word for father, πατήρ, looks exactly like the Latin pater when transliterated into the Latin alphabet, that's simply because both words developed from the same Indo-European root, as did the English word father. (I don't know why the editor spelled the Greek word πάτερ instead of πατήρ, unless that's how it's spelled in Modern Greek, which certainly has no relevance at all to this article.) Latin did not develop from Greek, it developed alongside Greek from a common ancestor, and they were separate languages long before the Latin word patricius was formed. I'm going to remove the etymological references to Greek.

I'm not, however, going to remove the Greek transliteration of patricius, πατρίκιος, and its variants, since Greek was the language of the Eastern and Byzantine Empires. But it's important to note that πατρίκιος was derived from patricius, not the other way around. The Latin word patricius came first, then later it passed into Greek as πατρίκιος and later still into English as patrician.--Jim10701 (talk) 08:48, 30 September 2009 (UTC)