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Would it be noteworthy to include a counter-"clue"? When the Japanese arrested him around 1980 over pot charges, they took his fingerprints, and they were identical to the ones taken in 1961 by Hamburg police from when he'd been arrested for alleged arson (that story about him and John nailing a condom to a wall and setting it on fire, over their frustration due to the fact that George was being deported for being underage). -- (talk) 10:42, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Evidence disproving the rumour is probably not necessary at this point. It would also require a reliable source and this sounds dubious to me. Piriczki (talk) 13:29, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

My personal belief is that PID is a "real" phenomenon. Not that I necessarily think he died and was replaced, but namely, that I think the clues were deliberately placed, and the rumor was perpetuated by The Beatles themselves, regardless of whether the substance of the rumor is actually true. That being said, if you can find a good source confirming your statement to be true, please do add it!

I actually thought I remembered reading somewhere that the opposite was true. That when he was arrested, they were baffled that his prints did not match the records. Though this may have just been rumor, and given my propensity for reading "Paul Is Dead"-related forums, my source might be garbage. I don't see why a conflicting fact shouldn't be added, if a good source can be found for the info. (talk) 19:05, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

List of "clues"[edit]

I apologize if this issue has already been settled in all of the preceding posts, but I don't think I have the time to read through all of them....

I agree whole-heartedly that this article is not the place for a myriad of "clues," especially since this could very easily degenerate into a mess of individual opinions about how you can interpret a particular lyric, photograph, etc. Nonetheless, as this is a very well-known urban legend, and one of the more unsual bits of Beatles lore, would it be possible to have a separate article that was a list of supposed clues? It would have to be monitored fairly closely, to avoid becoming a in the end, maybe it would be more trouble than it's worth...any thoughts??? PurpleChez (talk) 19:34, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

You have accurately summarized the entire history of the issue. A list of "clues" was once part of this article; it grew so unwieldy that it was pulled out into a separate article (figuring out what to call that article was a tough one - List of Clues That Show Paul Is Secretly Dead Even Though He Isn't or something like that) which turned into such a cesspit of fanboy/conspiracy/I-was-once-told-something/joking glop that it was killed by an AFD vote. (It even included "clues" from songs recorded *before* Paul supposedly died!) If you want to restart it, please be prepared to devote most of your wikipedia time to patroling it! - DavidWBrooks (talk) 21:09, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
I laughed out loud reading your post. I've gotten a kick out of the whole Paul is Dead thing since I was a young fan in the late 70s. But your wise counsel makes it appear that it would all be more trouble than it's worth. The existing article could always link out to other sites with lists...maybe it already does. Either way...thanks for the input!!! PurpleChez (talk) 17:30, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Happily, today he just "proved" he isn't dead, yet again. What's significant about the whole episode is that people were so concerned, the conspiracy theorists came out and were able to get a wide hearing. People were that afraid of losing him.
While it's a good textbook example of how uncertain information can run away with you, I do think the details are overdone. (talk) 05:15, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Reading this I can understand why a comprehensive list of clues isn't feasible, but there are such things as notable clues. The Sgt. Pepper Inner Groove that played backwards says "Will Paul come back as Superman" (it's on YouTube, you can hear it for yourself or find an MP3 of it and play it backwards with software), or the "clues" on the Sgt Pepper and Abbey Road covers. Just adding a list willy nilly is a bad idea because anyone could just say "well I saw this..." but there are clues that have received non-trivial media coverage, as well as reference in biographies, histories of the Beatles, etc. I don't see why a list couldn't be placed here by simply following the sourcing criteria Wikipedia already has in place. (talk) 17:57, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

(A) no it doesn't - you've been fooled by pre-loaded auditory suggestions. If somebody had told us it said "My toe runs backwards often" then we'd hear that - it's how those ghost-hunting people rig the game ... (B) the topic of listing "clues" has been discussed often and many alternatives have been tried, including a separate article. The current situation has been consensus for quite a while. This doesn't mean it can't change, but it require a lot of discussion and effort to change it. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 00:21, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Link to '27 Club'?[edit]

Wonder if it is worth adding to the 'Clues' section a link to the '27 Club' of rock stars who died at 27, as the 'Abbey Road' album cover shows '28 if' on the VW's licence plate. I'd consider it a worthwhile mention, and would add it myself, but I don't want to open up a can of 'what should/shouldn't be added' to this article if it has been settled. There probably should be some mention on the '27 Club' page as well.Rickremember (talk) 06:45, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I would argue strongly against listing coincidences - lots of "rock stars" died at 37 and 26 and almost any other age - and particularly that one, since the whole point of this article is that nobody died so coincidences about others' death strikes me as particularly irrelevant. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 11:05, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
He was 24. Böri (talk) 11:24, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

The Wired Italia article[edit]

This is a jarring piece of evidence that goes against expectations. As I understand it, Gabriella Carlesi, an Italian forensics expert who specializes in examining evidence from photographs, was assigned the project of examining the photos in the McCartney case, for an article in Wired Italia magazine. She, and the co-author of the article, expected to demonstrate that the photos taken before and after McCartney's alleged death were photographs of the same man. Instead, there were substantial differences in the two sets of photos. Carlesi examined parts of the body that were not modifiable by plastic surgery, such as the tragus, and the teeth in the mandible. I've added some info to the existing place in the Wikipedia article where the Wired Italia piece was mentioned and tagged each bit I added with [citation needed] tags. Perhaps what is needed more than anything is a good translation of the Wired Italia article into English. (talk) 04:10, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

This issue was previously discussed at Talk:Paul is dead/Archive 2#Recent edits and the conclusion was that the Wired article could be mentioned as an example of continuing interest in the rumor but that its contents were not suitable for Wikipedia per WP:FRINGE. Piriczki (talk) 13:59, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Article found that says that The Beatles cooked up the idea for Paul's death[edit]

Right here Paul McCartney Admits Beatles Planned Death Hoax — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:9:3A80:11B:F90C:8F7F:BF19:FD25 (talk) 21:07, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

You did read the black box at the bottom, didn't you? Britmax (talk) 21:33, 29 July 2014 (UTC)