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Untitled[edit]

I made some minor edits to the wording and wikified some of the terms. In her heyday... seemed an antiquated way to talk about something that happened nor more than five years ago. I re-worded it to In the past... I also added information about the birth and raising of Paula's daughter Sky (not much frankly) to help explain the hiatus.

Finally, to say that Paula 'self released' some songs in retaliation seems POV. I re-worded it to get the music out there which is honest without putting any slant on the reason. Oh and I forgot to log in. I'm 24.126.70.48 Wjbean 22:10, 2005 Apr 23 (UTC)

Revisionist History[edit]

While its impossible to get inside another's head, the information regarding Harbinger is and remains a rather serious misstatement of fact. Paula was, from before high school on and through her graduation, among the most popular students in her class. She was the star of virtually all musical and drama productions in both middle school and high school. She served as class president in high school and an officer in school clubs.

When she began to tour, people from Rockport appeared at her shows, including second grade teachers, middle school science teachers, classmates and others.

It may well be that, internally, Paula felt pressures to conform. Perhaps so. Its a misstatment of the facts though to say this was an angst-ridden ignored woman in the corner. That just isn't what happened and its time to stop saying that.

- do you have any evidence for these statements?--65.118.148.205 (talk) 15:57, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I initially wrote a much longer answer, with names that I suspect you'd recognize...P. Wann, S. Bell, L. Borton, P. Egan, D. Flynn, A. Stanton, A. Gallagher, L. Blatchford, N. Grillo, C. Enright, P. Perry, D. Fleming, M. Robertson, J. Watson, J. Sirois, N. Brackett, H. Goodwin....

Suffice to say, as I suspect you now know....YES, I have plenty of evidence for what I wrote and could have easily written much, much, much more. I didn't. I won't.

I was there. I'm guessing you were too. What was said at the time of Harbinger, by Paula, by Imago, in the Gloucester Times article by R. Ackley heavily quoting H. Goodwin was obnoxious. And it was false. I'm glad its not being said anymore. It wasn't true then, it wasn't true during either of those middle or high school years.

Let's agree that its not good to put out false statements and move on.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.218.199 (talk) 04:03, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the poster of Revisionist History[edit]

Many people over the years have misinterpreted Paula Cole's past, believing that her music is the creation of an angst-driven social outcast. But this is not the truth at all. In some ways, I understand the reality, which is the opposite of the widely-held belief. Paula Cole is extraordinarily gifted. And extraordinarily gifted people receive a certain kind of treatment in school. When they get a 97 on a test, people ask "what happened?" When they aren't chosen as class president or prom queen, the question is "what happened?" Gifted people are expected to be perfect people. And even if it's only imagined in their minds, they place a level of pressure upon themselves to be perfect. Paula Cole may well have been angst-driven. A lot of Type A personalities are. But social outcast? No way.

What makes me believe this to be the case? Look at the lyrics to "Bethlehem." (I've lost five pounds these past few days trying to be class president and get straight A's.) Look at the lyrics to "Tiger." (I can finally be a teenager at age 26.) Look at the lyrics to "Me." (It's me who is my enemy, me who beats me up, me who makes the monsters, me who strips my confidence.) Read her explanation about her hiatus on the website, the part about needing to get off her hamster wheel. I'm not a social psychologist, but I can recognize that Paula Cole was Ms. Type A all the way!Jw4321 20:34, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I grew up in Rockport, MA with Paula Cole as well, and I know Paula Cole was not, repeat not, a social outsider by any stretch of the imagination. This is nothing more than a posture for marketing purposes. --Roger Williams 09:17, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Paulacole.jpg[edit]

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Hot 100[edit]

I'm stumped. How can "I Believe in Love" have a chart placement of #112 on the Billboard Hot 100? Doesn't the count only go up to 100? Monkey Bounce 08:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Libel for All-Star 2007 Game Performance[edit]

Someone has posted an obviously untrue account of Cole's performance on tonight's All-Star Game (she sang 'God Bless America' at the 7th-inning stretch). I posted the rebuttal beneath his/her fictitous account (I did not delete it). What gripe does this person have against her?

Please just delete it next time. This kind of garbage happens all the time where obviously false information gets added. Just delete it and be on your way, maybe make a note on the talk page. You should never be posting a rebuttal on the article itself. Emmpee 04:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

On July 10, I added factual info on Cole's performance at the All-Star game. Another user added the same factual info nearly simultaneously. Then, a third user added the untrue account. Finally, a fourth user removed all three accounts, the two factual and the third false account. I have re-edited to include the factual account. I put it in the "In popular culture section" while the second user chose the "Current status." While I feel that an all-star game performance does not actually speak to Cole's current status as a performer, I have no objection if someone feels more strongly and wished to move this information. Mzm 9:54, 11 July 2007

I've adjusted the account; there were a few inaccuracies, but overall it was a pretty good account of the gaffe, which has already made the rounds of the "morning zoo" talk show circus. The internet meme, I can't say, I've seen dozens of them, but I don't know what the Wiki guidelines are to call something "well-known". Most of the videos are being taken down because of MLB copyright, but then I don't think that corporate control of the media is a reason to deny something as well known. Anyone else's thoughts?--71.214.143.103 14:17, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I removed the section until a source can be provided as per WP:BLPZaui (talk) 18:52, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Why can't the factual report that she did sing "God Bless America" be left on the page? This press release from MLB and this article from Broadcast News demonstrate her participation, as does the video of her currently available at paulacole.com

The issues with the "libel" are a) the claim that the delay was 45 minutes, not 2 minutes, b) the claim re: internet memes and remixes, which were posted within minutes of her performance, c) the claim that she was escorted off the field by security, d) the claim she threw a fit. None of these happened. Mzm 12:42, 12 July 2007

Just add something to the Current status section: In July 2007 Cole sang God Bless America during the seventh-inning stretch of the 2007 Major League Baseball All-Star Game. and add a citation. — Zaui (talk) 17:07, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

While you're at it, why not add the technical difficulties? It was an embarassing part of the performance, if not the travesty the user suggested.--TheGrza 17:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Are the technical difficulties notable? I'd say no. So what if the performance was delayed? I was watching on TV at the time and didn't think anything of it. Stuff like that happens all the time. What is notable is that she sang at the all-star game. That's it. — Zaui (talk) 17:44, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

The event itself isn't all that notable. Who cares that she sang a song ten years after some people listened to a couple of her albums? And at the all-star game? The only thing worth mentioning was the solid minute, two minutes of dead air as somebody fiddled with a keyboard. If you didn't think anything of it, don't add it to the article.--TheGrza 00:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

{{editprotected}} Please add the following to the "Current status" section of this page: On July 10, 2007 Cole sang God Bless America during the seventh-inning stretch of the 2007 Major League Baseball All-Star Game.[1] [2]

Because the page was protected for insertion of problematic content but this content seem neutral and is sourced, I have added it to the page. — Carl (CBM · talk) 00:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

{{Editprotected}} Please disambiguate "Keybord" to "Keyboard instrument|Keyboard" (Instrument in Infobox). --Leo Laursen ( T | C ) 14:24, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

done. — Carl (CBM · talk) 23:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


"False" duet?[edit]

What is a false duet, and why is it worth mentioning in the article? "The title "Hush, hush, hush", a false duet with Peter Gabriel talks about AIDS and about a young gay man dying in his father's comforting arms." So what does that mean, and why was the page edited to add something that only sounds derogatory without any explanation or any purpose? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Springtimeofhisvoodoo (talkcontribs) 20:16, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

what about adding info about here work with Peter Gabriel[edit]

I know of paula cole from here work with Peter Gabriel, yet the article has nothing about that. I would recommend adding info on that.

Agree. There is no mention (I think?) of her work on Secret World Live, either the album or the video release. Rwintle (talk) 15:09, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
While there isn't much discussion of it, there is certainly "mention" of it in Paula_Cole#Recording_career. - SummerPhD (talk) 00:51, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Apparently I can't read. Thanks. :) Rwintle (talk) 17:02, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Cdn charts?[edit]

I saw her perform at a Sarah McLachlan concert north of Montreal in the summer of 1997. We'd never heard of her (constantly asking "Are you sure it's not Holly Cole??") but we loved her when she performed. Is there any Cdn chart information? I think she became relatively well known that summer and through her association with Sarah. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.253.208 (talk) 19:49, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Feminist?[edit]

I just transferred the article out of Category:Feminist artists into the new Category:Feminist musicians. However, I don't know enough about Ms. Cole to say for sure that she is properly considered a "feminist" -- and there's nothing on that point in the article, with the possible exception of her participation in Lilith Fair. So I'd appreciate if a knowledgable editor would lend a hand, either adding some info to the article to support inclusion in that category, or else removing the category. Thanks! Cgingold (talk) 03:32, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Nothing in the article supports the category, so I've yanked it and a couple of others. Good catch. - SummerPhD (talk) 04:09, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Current status[edit]

The current status information is years out of date. Surely she has fans available to update the antiquated data. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.2.130.215 (talk) 08:29, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

  1. ^ press release from MLB
  2. ^ this article from Broadcast News