Talk:Paula Hitler

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grave[edit]

There have been multiple reports from individuals that Paula Hitler's marker and remains were quietly removed and replaced in June (2005). I haven't found any newswire stories, nor does there seem to be any explanation. I suspect the site was starting to get too many visitors (only my speculation)... the German government has long been aggressive about preventing the development of Hitler shrines. There could be a more mundane reason, for example the plot may have only been set aside for 45 years but I tend to think it's the former. Wyss 2 July 2005 13:48 (UTC)

It is perfectly normal in Germany that the site of a grave is re-used for somebody else after one or two decades, unless it was paid for a longer time, which can be quite expensive on a German graveyard. Especially a city in the mountains, with limited space, could be quite expensive. As there were no relatives anyway, there is no reason why the tomb should stay for more than 20 years - or even 45. --Matthead 18:49, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Secrets from the grave[edit]

This is pure speculation on my part, but I imagine the exhumation of Paula's grave would have been carried out under conditions of great secrecy and with some degree of security. Nonetheless, I wonder if DNA obtained from any remains might yield a clue as to the identity of the grandfather she shared with her infamous brother. Would anyone be interested enough to do the research? It would surely be only of academic interest, but even so...

I also find it a rather odd co-incidence that these mysterious documents have appeared, apparently within weeks of the exhumation. Is there any proof that the documents are genuine? I still recall the fiasco of the so called "Hitler diaries" some years ago. Perhaps the time has come to stop looking. The subject's fascination cannot be denied, but it is surely time to move forward. TCH. UK.

As many historians have already remarked, the question of which brother would only make AH's kinships more or less incestuous than they are already documented to be. It was likely Johann. Cousin marrying was the norm in small European villages (and early American colonial ones) for centuries at least. In 200,000 years as a species, people have been avoiding marrying their cousins for only a hundred years or so. As for that supposed typewritten diary, no verifiable provenance has been forthcoming and in its absence those claims might as well be added to the hundreds of other bits of codswallop some people and their publishers have dreamed up to sell books (or outlooks of any stripe). Gwen Gale 17:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of from beyond the grave, this sentence doesn't quite scan correctly: " This was the only filmed interview she ever gave before her death..." How many interviews did she give, post mortem? Andrew Riddles 14:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for bringing it up. Gwen Gale 16:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Very confused sourcing[edit]

The second part of this article is very confusing, reading like a WP:OR essay:

  • "A German historian named Beierl did some research..." - citation, please!
  • "Mr Beierl said:..." - where?
  • "Confidential information learns that her husband owns the grave ... It is said he's an old SS-veteran." - Is this a parodical example on how not to provide WP:RS?

Unless this is cleaned up, it's probably better to delete it and start over. Sandstein 18:57, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

So far, it's unsupported[edit]

The following has been in the article for far too long without Ryback's and Beierl's claims being backed up by some verifiable provenance and peer review. It's one thing to come up with codswallop to flog a downmarket book, it's another to let it lurk in an article without a shred of independent support. I'm putting it here for further discussion, there's no evidence they found a diary. Gwen Gale 17:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Later allegations[edit]

In August 2005 two German historians (Timothy Ryback and Florian Beierl) announced they had found, at an undisclosed location in Germany, a diary written by Paula Hitler. Its provenance, however, has not been confirmed by public peer review. The typewritten document (which is said to date from her childhood) reportedly describes instances of abuse by her older brother Adolf.

According to Beierl, during the war Paula was engaged to Erwin Jekelius, who is widely held responsible for having gassed 4,000 people in Austria. Beirel claims Jekelius travelled to Berlin to ask Hitler for his sister's hand and was promptly sent to the Eastern front.

Beierl further commented, "Up to this point, Paula Hitler had an essentially clean slate. However, the impression of her being a poorly informed and a somewhat aloof individual had clearly shifted. In my opinion, the fact that she was to marry one of Austria's worst war-criminals clearly implicates her in having knowledge of the gas chamber method of political and religious executions." Beierl's co-author Timothy Ryback added, "To me, discovering that Paula was going to marry Jekelius is one of the most astonishing revelations of my career. She bought into the whole thing -- hook, line and sinker.[1]

Source links[edit]

I added references I easily found via an external link on this article: http://uk.geocities.com/paulawolf@btinternet.com/index.html . Since I am a deletist eventualist, I wanted to make sure I acknowledge the link here. Flowanda | Talk 02:44, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

  1. ^ Journal reveals Hitler's dysfunctional family Beaten by his father, the future dictator used to bully his sister, The Guardian, 2005