Talk:Pax Europaea

Role of the US after WWII

• What about the role of the US in securing peace in the aftermath of WWII? Surely the EU is the chief defender of stability in modern Europe, but I think the influence of the US in post-WW2 is not mentioned.--RexRex84 20:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

As far as I know (and correct me if I'm wrong), the role of the US is recognized in this term, but considers it to be of secondary importance. Note however that this page is about the meaning of the term Pax Europeana, and is not about what happened in reality. See for instance the contrast of this perspective with that of Pax Americana, which attributes the peace in Europe almost completely to American power and hegemony. Sijo Ripa 01:44, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Certainly the write up should include at least a passing mention of the contemporaneous (and presumably rival) concept of Pax Americana and some description of how they differ. 66.122.73.102 03:35, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Europeana?

That sounds rather English. Surely it is really "Pax Europea"? --61.68.108.167 03:10, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Pax Europae, I'd say, as Europa seems to be the Latin name of Europe (if it follows the first declension).-- 62.143.126.174 01:57, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Pax Europaeana, the ae was sometimes shortende to e. ´By search engine you can also find Pax Europana. --Alex1011 (talk) 12:52, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Societas Privata Europaea is official. Ergo 'European' = 'Europaea'. - SSJ ☎ 21:19, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Post-Cold War

The first paragraph states that this peace was extended eastwards following the end of the Cold War, then goes on to state a few exceptions. The problem here is that, with the exception of the former Yugoslavia, these dares are firmly within the Cold War period, not after. I will be removing these references. If anyone objects, please state why. --Harel Newman 04:06, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmm

After the Cold War this peace was extended to most of Central and Eastern Europe

Does it mean that there was no peace in Eastern Europe during Cold War?--Dojarca (talk) 11:19, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

No, it just wasn't this peace, it was Pax Sovietsky (!) --Red King (talk) 23:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Updating Needed

Umm, just wanna say, I noticed the map only goes up to 2007. Maybe someone should make a new one. *wink wink* its 2009. SheWhoKnows (talk) 01:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

This map concerns the successive enlargments of the European Union. It doesn't have new members since 2007 so it's still correct, even if we are in 2010 ;-) --Breizhou (talk) 14:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

It probably should be updated due to the removal of the UK, it only goes to 2013, and it's 2020. TypeMirror (talk) 21:12, 6 October 2020 (ECT)

Greek Civil War

I hope it was not forgotten. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.33.12.27 (talk) 20:02, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

What are we talking about when it comes to "conflict" ?

Hi,

I think that this concept can be interesting, but it all depends on what we mean by conflict.

According to the Wikipedia page of the word conflict and admitting that this article refers to a political concept, we should use this definition

"In political terms, "conflict" can refer to wars, revolutions or other struggles, which may involve the use of force as in the term armed conflict."

If everyone agrees, the problem is now to know who can be considered in conflict or not.

If we refer to conflict ONLY talking about wars between two states, in a very narrow sense, then I think that this concept of Pax Europaea is quite correct (but it depends also on what we consider as Europe > see next section of the discussion) If we refer to conflict in a broader sense, I think that the Pax Europaea is very Western oriented and do not reflect the contemporary history of the continent of Europe.

Do you agree ?

--Breizhou (talk) 13:51, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Has their been academic use of the term? Yes. Should it be explained within the context of academia? yes. Should their be more references to where such a definition comes from? yes. I think Sourcing is the major issue here. We neither can affirm or deny the existance of such a peace, see WP:Original Research. Sadads (talk) 14:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Europe ? Georgia included ?

I'm just asking myself, which Europe is considered here ?

If we speak about the whole continent, including Russia for example, then we should emphasize the very recent conflict between Russia and Georgia.

We should not forget also the conflict between Greece and Turkey about Cyprus.

I'm sure that some others conflict can be found...

--Breizhou (talk) 13:55, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Croatia in Map of EU

The animated map of the enlargement of the EU does not include Croatia, which joined earlier this year. --188.107.207.230 (talk) 09:12, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Northern Ireland Troubles/Conflict

This conflict in Northern Ireland, United Kingdom killed and injured 3,000 people. 2% of the population were killed or injured as a result of Political violence. In context that would be like 6 million US citizens killed because of one conflict. It's also described as a 'low' level war by academics. Funkinwolf (talk) 13:04, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Nagorno-Karabach conflict

Is this region/conflict still in Europe? Or just outside of it? Morgengave (talk) 15:14, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Unsourced sentence which looks like an opinion

In the first paragraph, I read "Bizarrely, in 2012, despite having fomented the break up of Yugoslavia and the ensuing wars, the EU was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize."

I have no memory from my history class of what the European Union did to foment the wars in ex-Yugoslavia. A quick google search didn't give me anything. This seems like a strong opinion, which would be disputed. In such a case, shouldn't you have at least a source?

187.170.125.242 (talk) 16:51, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

“No military conflicts since 1945”

Can we please remove this sentence seeing as it is no longer accurate? 165.234.101.99 (talk) 15:53, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

2022 Russian Invasion of Ukraine

There are quite a few edits trying to add the closing sentence to the header "Following the 2022 Russian Invasion of Ukraine, this period was seen to have ended, with the conflict inducing the largest war on European soil since World War II, and the largest European refugee crisis since World War II."

Last revert was in August last year, but since that claim is completely unsourced and contradicts the body of the article ("Even though a number of armed conflicts occurred on the European peninsula after World War II, none of them have been between members of the European Union."), I've taken the liberty of re-reverting it again. Please talk about it here if you disagree. Azertyfun (talk) 15:11, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, but I must to say, to this is not the EU pax, it is the European peace and not all of Europe is in the Europen union. However, also the EU states are on various ways and levels included in this war, at least with providing huge military aid List of military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War. To be in denial to war in Ukraine is not the biggest war in Europe since WW2 would be pretty strange.178.222.9.154 (talk) 01:45, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

There should be consensus though before the lead is so drastically changed. And, it is of no question that the Ukraine war is a big war, and a European war. But the majority of Europe remains at peace. If we count 50 countries in Europe (so including Kosovo, but not Kazakhstan), all but Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan are at peace (Moldova and Cyprus are under occupation in a part amount of their territory, but there are no ongoing hostilities between them and their occupiers.). That is 90% of the content at peace, which is a far larger amount then previously seen in history. I'm not saying that Pax Europaea is still ongoing, or that it is not. There should be consensus for this, because it is not clear.

Discombobulates (talk) 15:57, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

This anonymous user went ahead and re-reverted my revert...

Not only should changing the lead be a consensual decision amongst editors (I for one agree with all your points, the Pax Europaea has been considered to have survived other wars, notably including a Cold one and the Yugoslav Wars), but the decision is ultimately not for Wikipedians to make, but Historians.

That editor's revert is merely sourced by the WSJ article "U.S. Warns Allies That Ukraine Crisis Puts Post-World War II Order at Risk" [1], which predates the war in Ukraine by a few days (though I haven't read the body of the article which is paywalled). Still, this reads a lot more like an opinion that fact. I'm going to make one last revert until consensus has been reached (which I argue should start with reputable sources declaring the Pax Europaea to have ended), but if this devolves into an edit war I suppose we'll have to escalate. Azertyfun (talk) 13:20, 7 August 2023 (UTC)