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Royal Tomb[edit]

In Greece, it's a "royal tomb" even if it was not made for members of a royal family— "it's a term" User:Matia.gr tells us, reverting my edit. I say that's a lotta baklava. Anyone agree? --Wetman 21:58, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Your tone is inappropriate. Read WP:CIV, revise your edit, and then maybe we could talk about it. Got it? talk to +MATIA 22:25, 13 February 2006 (UTC)


Merge[edit]

FA on Fr, but here it's split into two overlapping sections - I'd like to do the FR trans & see this go FA, the way these two articles stand this is unlikely.Bridesmill 02:54, 9 July 2006 (UTC). Actually, this is confusing - We have Pella Prefecture, Pella, and History of Pella - the latter two overlapping. Somehow the talk page for Pella is here at Pella Prefecture. I'm confused.Bridesmill 02:56, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Merged; I am working on the FA trans at my Sandbox.Bridesmill 02:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


More Alexander required[edit]

You may consider this overlap with the 'Alexander The Great' and 'Macedonia' pages, but surely there has to be a greater emphasis on the Alexander story as the reason we are discussing Pella today (no offence intended to current inhabitants!)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.43.25.141 (talk) 14:41, 22 January 2007 (UTC).


Postol[edit]

Your argument "Slavic has nothing to do with this city. If we put a Slavic translation of this name, then let's put the Cantonese, Spanish, French etc. translations too. There is no need for it" sounds polemic. The town was (and still is) known by this name in Slavic, and Greek Macedonia had (and still has) slavic-speaking inhabitants, so it is not totally out of question that "Postol" was a historical name of the place. It was after all the birth place of a Bulgarian/Macedonian nationalist, so it must have had at least some Slavic population (if you do not assume that Misirkov was born by chance there). So the question is here: how notable was the name "Postol"?  Andreas  (T) 01:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Please explain why you think that Pella/Agii Apostoli did not have a historical name Postol or why you think this name is not notable. What is your opinion on; the proportion of Slavic-speaking population of A.A. before the population move in 1913, the name used by the Ottoman authorities. If possible, give reliable sources on your claims.  Andreas  (T) 22:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Dear User Deanhellene, on a recent edit summary, you say:

The town of Pella is in Greece. Slavic is not spoken in Greece. Pella has been a Greek town since ancient times and has never had anything to do with the Slavic people or language. Better explanation?)

It is certainly true that Pella has been part of the Greek state for almost 100 years. But this tells us nothing about what languages have been spoken there. Indeed, South Slavic dialects were widely spoken in what is now Greek Macedonia. --Macrakis 03:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I am afraid I disagree here, guys. The name Postol was neither the original name, nor an official name in use today. It was just one of the many names this town has. In Ancient times, the city was founded as Pella, and was known under that name for more than 1400 years (from 399 BC until at least 1200 AD, after some point at which it was also known as Aghioi Apostoloi. Pella was, for he Slavic tribes that settled in the wider Balkan region around 1000AD, known as Postol as well. And in the Ottoman era it also had some Turkish names too, but the fact remains, is that the name Pella never ceased to exist (more specifically especially in Italian and English maps if I recall correctly). Since the fall of the Ottoman Empire, the town was again officially known again by its popular name Pella. Pella even has been been declared as the official name of the town in the Greek State for more than 100 years now. Its obvious that while Pella may been called Aghioi Apostoloi or Postol in certain time periods, does not means it was not called Pella. Its name was and always been Pella, both in ancient and modern times.--85.75.135.132 (talk) 19:11, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Split[edit]

Macrakis was bold and split the article (he did not populate the new article, though). Good point because it seems that A.A. was not a continuation of Ancient Pella, Was there a time when there was no settlement there? Was A.A. founded independently of ancient Pella? Then indeed we need two articles. But disambig notices have to be added, and also all the links have to be checked. I could do this.  Andreas  (T) 14:47, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Done  Andreas  (T) 16:04, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about that; I did do a few, but wasn't as systematic as you. Thanks. --Macrakis 18:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Agriculture[edit]

Agriculture is very common to the south and mainly produces fruits.

This was not English; I have replaced it. If the fruits in question grow on trees, like apples, orchard, (or perhaps grove for olives, oranges and other citrus). If they are bush fruit, like berries, recasting may be justified. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Athens vs Athens, Greece[edit]

...or Pella vs Pella, Greece. Heh, nice precedent we're setting here... Now go on and split all modern Greek towns from their history. And while you're at it, go split those of the other countries too. Merge now. NikoSilver 19:14, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

But isn't this article talking about Ancient Pella, while Pella, Greece is talking about modern day Pella? That could be one of the reasons for the two articles. We could rename this to History of Pella, and then rename Pella, Greece to Pella. El Greco (talk · contribs) 21:16, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Niko, you are right saying that we cannot split every article on a city between present and past. However, in this case, there is a rationale, see above under #Split. See also the split between Constantinople and Istanbul. Generally, many places in Greece have been renamed after independence, not only in Macedonia. In many cases, an Ancient Greek place name was revived, for example Menidi was named Acharnes after the ancient Acharnae. I would suppose that with Menidi it is the same case as with Pella: the ancient settlement was abandoned at some time in history, later a new settlement was created nearby, and at some point after independence, the new settlement was given the name of the old one. In the case of Amphipolis, the articles were indeed merged[1].  Andreas  (T) 21:31, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
No problem, but it looks quite silly to create two stubs out of one article. I'd merge regardless and I'd make sure the abandoned settlement issue was specified (and sourced). I don't follow the rationale that says [temporary abandoned settlement] equals automatically [article split]. It really doesn't have to be that way when the content is rather poor to begin with. Lack of continuation is not a reason for split. It is a reason for simply saying so. NikoSilver 22:27, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
The 2 articles (Ancient and Modern Pella) need to be merged up. Ancient and modern Pella are exactly like Ancient Olympia and modern Olympia - Pella and Olympia are two modern towns that are build near the archeological sites of the same name, that have been abandoned a long time ago. But in Wikipedia. we have Ancient and Modern Olympia merged up, while Ancient and Modern Pella divided into 2 articles. I have a bad feeling about why Ancient Pella was separated from modern town of Pella. (of which the archeological site falls within the modern town's admninistrative limits). I am afraid if this separation was done mostly for political reasons that have nothing to do with Pella, but with the political dispute between Greeks and the Slavs of the Republic of Macedonia. Wikipedia must keep the politics out of this, and merge the Ancient Pella with Modern Pella articles so they can be in line with all other articles of the archeological sites of Greece and their modern towns. --85.75.155.72 (talk) 18:35, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Pella Regional info[edit]

Added the Pella Regional Info Panel, as the archeological site of Pella is within the Municipality limits of the nearby town of Pella. Much like most archeological sites in Greece have a Regional Info panel with some pictures of the Archeological sites themselves such as Ancient Olympia and the Olympia Municipality's info, of which the archeological site is part. But I have a bad feeling that some people may remove the Regional Info panel from the Pella article, despite the site being part of the town of Pella/Aghioi Apostoloi/Postol.--85.75.155.72 (talk) 18:29, 30 December 2012 (UTC)