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- 1 Top Category
- 2 Collecting pens
- 3 A Pen Timeline - verbatim copy
- 4 Terms & Expersions
- 5 Exploding Pens
- 6 List of retailers ...
- 7 Reversion due Vandalism
- 8 Major Cleanup
- 9 pen types
- 10 Eraseable Pen Link
- 11 Question
- 12 Roller felt tip pens
- 13 WP:ENGVAR
- 14 Lighted Ink Pens
- 15 Slavoljub Eduard Penkala
- 16 clicking mechanism?
- 17 Redundant sentence in lead
- 18 crow quill pen vs dip pen
- 19 History mistake?!
I think this should be the top category for pens, and link downward to: -Fountain pen -Ballpoint pen -Rollerball pen
Does anyone know of the terminology used to describe a person who enjoys collecting pens?
- You could always try stylophile ( check out http://www.stylophilesonline.com/contents.htm).
A Pen Timeline - verbatim copy
Have just discovered that this section was originally lifted word for word from . While it is certainly interesting to trace the history of the pen, this should now be done more objectively, looking at authentic references and resources. I had already started with footnotes, etc., but will now attempt to do a rewrite. -Ipigott 13:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- Excellent. This page deserves a lot better ... I'll chip in where I can. Mike Helms 13:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Terms & Expersions
Terms & Expersions,; should it be split up to History & Terms & Exprsions?
18.104.22.168 09:09, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
There should be something on how and why the ink of a pen explodes sometimes. Is this because of the pressure? --22.214.171.124 22:52, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Exploding ink??? Are you 4 years old? Ink cant explode. It doesn't contain explosive contents in its makeup. Try holding the pen softer. -TTT13
- He/She may be referring to explosive devices that both the Allies and Axis spies used to set fires and for other sabotage during World War II, and also used in other operations by spies and terrorists, guerrillas. These look like ink pens, even function AS pens, until a certain action is performed, then the pen explodes and/or sets things on fire. During World War II, the FBI seized some of these from enemy agents that landed in the US. Assume Good faith please, and sig your statements with four ~s. Powerzilla (talk) 18:53, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
List of retailers ...
I have removed the "list of retailers" section ... this is not encyclopedic; it's advertising for companies that sell pens. We can add it in if people disagree with me ... but I don't see this as being appropriate for Wikipedia. Mike Helms 20:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Reversion due Vandalism
I've reverted to an old version due to outright vandalism 126.96.36.199 22:22, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I did a semi-major cleanup on this page, but I have left the "cleanup" tag as it still doesn't read very smoothly ... Mike Helms 11:04, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- Although I agree the page was in need of it and I appreciate your efforts, linking in section headers is somewhat frowned upon, as is linking dates in general when not highly pertinent, I'm in favor of the subsection headers you've created, but linking them might not be a great idea. Vicarious 11:26, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- It seems to me that this article would benefit from some authentic references, particularly in relation to the history. Pens are one of the cornerstones of our literary heritage and deserve better treatment than we have at present. There is some pretty good stuff on writing implements, quills, etc., but pens have a place in their own right. I'll try to work on this over the next few days - unless anyone disagrees with the need.- Ipigott 18:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Someone added this to the article:
and it was soon removed. I don't know whether it should be there or not, so I'd like to request any editor watching this page to please have a look. Thanks20:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Under modern pen types, the original article should be edited to add "Advanced ink" as a new type. Per Zebra Pens,  this is similar to rollerball, but uses an emulsion, a mixture of water based and oil based inks for a writing instrument that writes and looks like rollerball and dries immediately like a ballpoint, a best of both. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crashwny (talk • contribs) 21:18, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Eraseable Pen Link
Roller felt tip pens
There was an entry for these under "other pens" Is there such a thing? A good internet search doesn't reveal anything and I don't understand how it would work anyway. I've removed the reference for now.
Today someone used the British spelling "colour" in an edit and it was changed  to "color" on the grounds of WP:ENGVAR, which says to stick with the variant of English first used in a given article, unless it has strong ties to British or North American (or other) English spelling. The earliest use of either form of the word I can find is , from 2005, which favors the "color" spelling. I did not notice British spellings in earlier versions. WP:ENGVAR is intended to keep from jarring variations in spelling (check/cheque, color/couour) in one article, but does not prevent some usage of alternate terms when appropriate, as in using the term "lift" in the Elevator article. Edison (talk) 23:30, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Lighted Ink Pens
I have four of them. In the US, you can find them at truck stops and some resteraunts. The truckers and police use them for writing at night, while they're on the road. Took one apart and found LEDs in them. Powerzilla (talk) 18:03, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
- I have removed this section for now, as these aren't related to the fundamental nature of pens (quill vs ballpoint vs gel and so forth). Perhaps a more specific article is suitable. — Lomn 00:18, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Slavoljub Eduard Penkala
- Because he invented mechanical pencils, apparently, which aren't pens. Copying from About.com is not appropriate, but if Penkala's "solid-ink pen" is notable, someone else can add it in. --EarthSprite∞ 08:19, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
What is the clicking mechanism of a pen called? The thing that makes the pen ink cartrige go in and out of the outer case? There should be a section about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 02:32, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Redundant sentence in lead
- It looks like it was an editing test or misplaced good faith. I deleted it. __Just plain Bill (talk) 20:53, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
crow quill pen vs dip pen
- I'm pretty sure you're right. CüRlyTüRkeyTalkContribs 07:35, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
"Ancient Indians were the first to use the pen... The old literature ... used this kind of pen roughly 500 BC. Ancient Egyptians had developed writing on papyrus scrolls when scribes used thin reed brushes or reed pens ... In his book A History of Writing, Steven Roger Fischer suggests that ... the reed pen might well have been used for writing on parchment as long ago as ... about 3000 BC."