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Wohee! The quality of this article is low as can be. Ever heard of penal colonies called Japan and Australia? 75.139.214.136 (talk) 01:05, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Disambiguation[edit]

Disambiguation: "Penal Colony" is also a band: http://www.myspace.com/penalcolony

The band does not have a page on Wikipedia and therefore does not merit a notice at the top of the page, or I would have put one. Arawn 00:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Lead section[edit]

The first paragraph of this article is rather cluttered with parentheses and long-winded sentences. Perhaps the biggest offender is the following line:

landless younger sons (who go "out into the wide world to seek their fortunes"), ne'er-do-wells and embarrassing eccentric uncles (remittance men)

I found this particularly difficult to look at. Can we replace the first line with maybe a famous example of such adventure seekers? In addition, I find the phrase "ne'er-do-wells" to be somewhat archaic. I don't know what a remittance man is, but maybe we should replace "embarrassing eccentric uncles" with "remittance men", and link it to a new article. --Misfit 12:21 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I added some explanation. - Patrick 13:12 27 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Indentured servitude as punishment?[edit]

I'm not saying this isn't true, but while I remember hearing about indentured servants in American history, I always thought that they CHOSE to come to the colonies; it was my understanding that these people became indentured servants as a way of paying for the trip. Does anyone know for sure?

If it is true, could someone post a link to more information about this? Thanks.

--- Some chose, some had authorities or sentencing judges choose for them. See for example http://home.clara.net/iainkerr/kerr/indenture.htm

Daniel Defoe gave, I believe, a fictional account of criminal servitude in Virginia in Moll Flanders.

I imagine that criminal transportation becomes a taboo subject for patriotic North Americans (compare Australians, who know of the practice too well to hide it). I recall an estimate that by 1776, approximately 75% of the population of the 13 colonies could claim an indentured ancestor of one sort or another. 219.88.205.91 11:41, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Edits by Fastifex[edit]

Fastifex has repeatedly added material to this page that has been removed by other editors (see [1], [2], [3]). A link to search IMDB for "penal colony" is completely pointless; and what on Earth has a list of statesmen in Ecuador got to do with penal colonies?

He also keeps adding "slave-type" to penal labor in the paragraph about Russian penal colonies. As I commented last time that I removed this, if he wants to discuss penal labor as being slave-type, he should do so on penal labor.

This time around I spotted and removed the following phrase after "Norfolk Island":

which became the flogging hell meant to deter even the most hardened criminals- see cat o' nine tails)

This is yet another example of Fastifex adding unrelated BDSM content to articles (see for example the history of "wooden spoon"). — Hex (❝?!❞) 14:17, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Disguised vandalism[edit]

Someone somewhere inserted a mention that all of the prisoners at the colony in Ghana died of priapism. This is obviously a joke - someone in a 'penal' colony dying of an engorged penis? Har har. Doesn't belong on Wiki. I also removed some parts that made no sense and added a citation tag for the bit about Irish prisoners. Someone who cares more than me can do the research and add the appropriate footnote. Wtbe7560 14:36, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe this person got a bit confused, and thought we were talking about penile colonies? ... :~} CleanUpAisle7 (talk) 09:46, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

More "In fiction" movies[edit]

No Escape (Escape from Absolom) 1994

Escape from New York 1981

Escape from LA 1996

89.138.221.2 (talk) 17:50, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


There is also Earth_2_(TV_series)

--206.162.157.3 (talk) 21:53, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I've added Botony Bay by Charles Nordhoff and James Norman Hall to the books section. Ayliana (talk) 20:37, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Is there a reason No Escape, Escape from New York, and Escape from L.A. are not listed? The plots of these films revolve around a penal colony. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.75.83.78 (talk) 02:27, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Criticism to Generalities Section[edit]

I'm new to contributing to Wikipeida but under generalities appear the following:


"In fact, some people (especially the poor, following a similar social logic as could see them domestically 'employed' in a poorhouse) were sentenced for trivial or dubious offenses to generate cheap labor."


Which perhaps should appear as :


Some people who might be employed in a 'poorhouse' anyways, were sentenced for trivial or dubious offenses to generate cheap labor.


I took out the 'In fact', since its needless in my opinion, Wikipedia is facts! And the parenthesis which I believe in most cases show poor writing skills.


Also does anyone believe that this claim deserves a citation? I would like to see something to at least show me that this might have happened. Maybe it should appear:


Although debatable, some people who might be employed in a 'poorhouse' anyways, were sentenced for trivial or dubious offenses to generate cheap labor.


Let me know if I'm on the right track here!

Jdrumstik (talk) 03:33, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Definitely needs a citation or something! The article is basically claiming that people were sent to penal colonies for no reason but to provide cheap labour. Surely this statement has to be backed up. Personally, I'm not sure this sentence is accurate, and I thought it was worded in an emotive way.

And what is this "social logic" regarding the poor? => "In fact, some people (especially the poor, following a similar social logic as could see them domestically 'employed' in a poorhouse) were sentenced for trivial or dubious offenses to generate cheap labor."

Sebastian —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.186.4 (talk) 00:35, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Penal Colonies[edit]

What U S Colony was founded as a home for British Prisoners?76.192.0.213 (talk) 21:41, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

No specific US territory was used specifically as a penal colony. Convicts were transported to all 13 colonies and sold in auction, much like the slaves from africa. Ayliana (talk) 20:36, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Two strange links under "Non-fiction"[edit]

See my edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Penal_colony&diff=558354761&oldid=558194322

I tried to fix. Not sure it's good enough.. but better? Don't know what happened there before or how to fix it further (or why there is a "?" when they seem to be the same). comp.arch (talk) 22:22, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

"Non-fiction"[edit]

The section header "Non-fiction" is misleading. It causes the reader to think that all the actually existing penal colonies listed before it are fictional. JIP | Talk 06:03, 18 June 2014 (UTC)