Talk:Pentecostalism

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Spiritual gifts too simplistic[edit]

I am unfamiliar with the work by Van Cleave, and I object to its simplistic interpretation of the subject of spiritual gifts.

While it might make sense to create simple cladistic categories (i.e., "vocal" gifts), such notions do not fit the descriptions given by the Apostle's writings (i.e., I Cor 12). Paul said that "...to one " (that is, to one sort of believer) is given the gift of tongues, and to another (greek, hallos - another of the same sort) is given the interpretion of tongues. To yet another sort of believer (greek, heteros - another of a different sort) is given the logos of wisdom, or the logos of knowledge. To yet another class of believers are given the remaining gifts (discerning of spirits, miracles, healings, faith, and prophecy.

Prophecy, then, is not classified by the Apostle as a "vocal" gift. It is hard to say what reason there may be for the opinions of Van Cleave, but his source isn't grounded in a careful reading of the Greek text. Still, it leaves one to wonder: whatever reason there is for the distribution of different gifts to different individuals may be found in individual differences in attitude, character, or some other qualifying conditions. To me, there is no question that the Apostle associated certain gifts with individual attributes of the believers who exercised them. Mjmondt (talk) 22:15, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

He is simply distinguishing between those gifts that involve speech and those they do not. This same categorization has been utilized in the article to provide focused sections for the different gifts. No one is saying Paul would have used that terminology, but there is a similar dichotomy found in 1 Peter 4:11 where is mentioned "whoever speaks" and "whoever renders service." The article does not claim that this is biblical terminology, it only claims that such characteristics have been observed. These differing characteristics are helpful in structuring the article. Unless you have a WP:Reliable source that reflects a Pentecostal viewpoint to back up what you are saying, this falls under the category of WP:No Original Research. Ltwin (talk) 22:32, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Reader feedback: what is the difference, eith...[edit]

64.185.130.217 posted this comment on 16 June 2013 (view all feedback).

what is the difference, either official or unofficial, between a Pentecostal congregation and an Assemblies of God congregation? What about congregations that bill themselves as both Pentecostal AND Assemblies of God?

Any thoughts?

The Assemblies of God is a denomination within the Pentecostal movement.
DocRushing (talk) 04:18, 28 July 2013 (UTC)