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Earliest APMs[edit]

Although some of the earliest APMs created one-way loops in theme parks and the infamous downtown Detroit "Mover", this configuration is by no means the majority. Thus the term APM to the informed does NOT imply a one-way loop. More typically, they are two way corridors of different scale with 3-20 stations. To those envisioning PRT, they are flexible networks of one-way links that can be configured and reconfigured to serve an array of destinations. For a complete listing of APMs, visit http://www.airfront.us.

A People Mover is NOT Light Rail[edit]

The Detroit People Mover is defined by APTA as an automated guideway transit system, and these are NOT light rail

>People movers can use light rail technology and systems, however not all people movers are light rail and not all light rail sytems are people movers (although they do move people)

Huntsville, AL[edit]

We have what the website calls a 'tram' at Huntsville Hospital [1] in Huntsville, AL but it is more like a "people mover" - so should I add it to this article? It has about 1600 feet of track, though it doesn't seem like you have to have a specific amount to qualify. It is one of the first people movers in the state of Alabama, and the second hospital to use such a thing. For now I will place this under the Other category unless someone wants to move it to Hospitals--Travlr23 03:56, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Work[edit]

This is a good start.

The most important improvement to make is to define terms much more carefully. Is "People Mover" a proper or common noun? For example, what is the relationship with AGTs, PRTs, and LRTs? Is an APM an "Automated People Mover"? What makes something a "Downtown People Mover"?

Finally, I strongly urge moving the "Different Meanings" section to the top, perhaps as a pseudo-disambiguation block.

Mdotley 17:21, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

'People movers" is a generic term that has been in use at least since 1949. It was used to describe Subway cars ,moving side walks (Speedwalks), passenger conveyor systems (Carveyor), elevators and almost every method of moving groups of people that anyone has conceived. The fact that Disney chose to name it's system PeopleMover seems to be what is confusing wveryone.

    User Al Neilson

APM versus PRT[edit]

I think a clear difference should be made between PRT (Personal Rapid Transit) and APM (Automated People Mover). While PRT systems have a separate and specificly made guideway, APM's like the ParkShuttle at Schipoll Airport, are capable of using the existing road infrastructure, detecting and avoiding obstacles, using flexible routing. Even if some segregation is necessary between these kind of APM, infrastructure must not be elevated, which is a great advantage compared to PRT's visually intrusive and theoretically cheap infrastructure. Even though PRT uses automated vehicles, it cannot be qualified of APM because of it's need of specific infrastructure and therefore it's dependance on it. That's, PRT cannot exist without the specific infractructure being built, while APM systems can.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Merger proposal (with automated guideway transit)[edit]

It has been suggested that Automated guideway transit be merged into this article.

For[edit]

  1. Proposed because they are basically the same thing. -- Booksworm 21 November 2006 (UTC) (transcribed from history)

Against[edit]

  1. They are not basically the same thing. The term people mover describes an application of transit technology; as the article itself says the term does not imply any particular technology, and a people mover may use technologies such as monorail, duorail, automated guideway transit or maglev. Whilst automated guideway technology is a specific piece of technology, in which rubber-tired vehicles are guided, usually by horizontally running guide wheels, on a guideway. Not all AGTs are people movers; not all people movers are AGTs. -- Chris j wood 12:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Conclusion[edit]

The suggestion for page merge failed, as it failed to achieve a consensus in two weeks. -- Chris j wood 12:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

People Mover is NOT a generic term![edit]

The term "People Mover" was, at one time, a trademarked term for a transit system which was produced by Westinghouse. It is not a generic term, and certainly does imply a certain technology despite the claims of this article. The trademark associated with the term has fallen to de facto (if not de jure) expiration, as of course Westinghouse is no longer able to protect its trademarks. Still, I think this article should recognize this fact. -- JeffBillman 17:35, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Strange list for France[edit]

I think whoever created the list of people movers in France forgot to read the article first. They have listed every tramway and metro system in France; even including Caen's GLT guided bus. Here is the list as it currently appears:

Most of these fail at the first hurdle. The article says:

A people mover or automated people mover (APM) is a fully automated, grade-separated mass transit system.

The tramways (and GLT) are neither automated nor grade-separated. The Paris, Lyon and Marseille metros are grade-separated but not fully automated. They use fairly traditional metro technology, albeit with the use of rubber tyres. Then it gets a bit more difficult; we have to consider the following from the article:

The term is generally used only to describe systems serving relatively small areas such as airports, downtown districts or theme parks, but is sometimes applied to considerably more complex automated systems.

and

Other complex APMs have similar characteristics to mass transit systems, and there is no clear cut distinction between a complex APM of this type and an automated mass transit system.

I think the Laon system pretty clearly is a people mover. Not so sure about the VAL systems in Lille, Rennes and Tolouse. I personally think that the very fact they describe themselves as metros should rule them out as people movers, but I'm not certain enough about this to pull them. So I'm going to edit the above list to:

-- Starbois (talk) 14:11, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Done. In slightly different format. If somebody wants to pull Lille, Rennes and Toulouse, I certainly shall not object. -- Starbois (talk) 14:14, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Ironically, the article was so busy listing systems that wern't people movers that it missed two that were (Orlyval and CDGVAL). Now added. -- Starbois (talk) 15:10, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Examples Section Clean Up[edit]

The "Examples" section, needs to be better organized to differentiate between true "Urban Transit", "Airport", and other lines that serve locales like resorts and hospitals. Currently, there seems to be too much bleed over in these categories. Perhaps, separate articles listing these systems are in order, as is currently only the case with airport systems. In my opinion, more care must also be taken to delineate complex full metro networks from simpler people mover systems, when deciding what is included in this listing (i.e. the Kelana Jaya Line vs. the Miami Metro Mover or CDGVAL).

Enfiladekh1 (talk) 02:59, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

SkyTrain & Scarborough RT are People Movers?[edit]

These systems seem to be more like automated rapid transit systems than a simple people-mover. Very few folks in the Toronto Metro area and Vancouver would refer to these systems as a "people-mover” systems. G. Capo (talk) 20:13, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

An Appropriate link[edit]

Added this whilst logged out, but the bot (working as designed) reverted.

Appropriate or not? given that it seems to be authorised footage... Sfan00 IMG (talk) 21:28, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

PIT Pittsburgh International Airport[edit]

PIT has an automated subway train between the landside and airside terminals. 208.103.112.69 (talk) 16:54, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_International_Airport_People_Movers 208.103.112.69 (talk) 16:56, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Automation[edit]

I deleted the redundant "fully automated" from the definition in the lead. For a start, it's not necessary to use the word "automated" twice in the same sentence. The second sentence clearly allows for some systems to be automated. And a number of the systems listed cannot be said to be fully, or even partially, automated.--Shantavira|feed me 10:56, 28 January 2015 (UTC)