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The band Permafrost was formed in 1996 in Ukraine. They only ever released two albums. Lunar poetry and forgotten evil (1996) and Darkness falls over these mountains (1998). The band members actually got together in spring 1995, however they couldn't decide on a name so they went around as Ukraine 32. They then changed the band name to Frost and after that to Permafrost because they thought that implied an eternal winter. The members in 1995-1996 were: Thermagoth (vocals and guitars) Alkine (Bass guitar) Thomas Alpersćuk (drums) Thomas was kicked out of the band in 1996 because of problems he developed regarding drugs. They recruited another drummer Nhico Caršvaý.

In 1999 Thermagoth was found dead in a graveyard, he was murdered. His killer is currently still in prison and will be released at the end of 2009.

Intresting notes:
→ Darkness falls over these mountains was nominated for an award, but Thermagoth declined for whatever reason.
→ Thermagoth served a short time in prison for assault.
→ Band broke up when they found Thermagoth was murdered.
→ Alkine now lives in Sweden.
→ Before Thermagoth was murdered, the band was working on their third album called Satanic Hymns calling to the Hatred in my Heart. The band had nearly finished it. So an imcomplete version was released.
→ Satanic Hymns calling to the Hatred in my Heart was recently recorded in 2005 with Alkine on bass and Caršvaý on drums. They recruited a vocalist from Sweden for the last two tracks which Thermagoth did not feature on. The man from Sweden was strangely not given credit.
→ Varggoth, frontman of the band Nokturnal Mortum, contacted Permafrost because he believed they had breached a copyright on their album, Lunar Poetry. The result was that Permafrost had to pay royalties to Nokturnal Mortum for any copies of Lunar Poetry and Forgotten Evil.

Shouldn't this be its own article? Fishhead64 07:56, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes. In my experience, it would be handled as a new article. -- Paleorthid 00:37, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Image removed[edit]

Time taken for permafrost to reach depth

This image has been replaced by a table. Mssnlayam 07:56, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Solifluction in Greenland?[edit]

The caption on the photo suggests it's of solifluction in Greenland, whereas the metadata in commons suggests Svalbard. Which is correct? 131.111.21.21 (talk) 11:42, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Things found in permafrost[edit]

Their record made to things found in permafrost. e.g.,

Things not found in permafrost: palm trees and tropical vegetation... Where does this idea come from – it can't have a reliable source. Richard New Forest (talk) 16:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Well that is That is inaccurate.

"An extraordinary testimony to the widespread watery destruction of animal life...They are sometimes found in a near-perfect state of preservation, with undigested tropical vegetation in their stomachs." - Earth’s Most Challenging Mysteries.--Standforder (talk) 00:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

The "ice age" wasn't a long period, the term is misleading. The earth previous to this brief "ice age" was tropical-like. This rapid freezing put the earth in freezing [temperature]]s. The "ice age" occured nearly 4,400 years, (Compare Genesis 7:18, 21).--Standforder (talk) 00:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

"A sinking of the sea basins would cause the waters to collect there, allowing dry land to appear again. Compare Psalm 104:8. In the oceans today there is more than enough water to have accomplished what the Bible describes; 71 percent of the earth’s surface is water, with an average depth of two and a half miles."--Standforder (talk) 00:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a factual encyclopaedia. It works on reliable sources, not pseudoscience or religious texts. Richard New Forest (talk) 00:16, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Chlorpromazine[edit]

Chlorpromazine is also abbreviated CPZ. I think a disambiguation page must be made —Preceding unsigned comment added by Awanta (talkcontribs) 03:53, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes – done. Richard New Forest (talk) 10:55, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello,

I am new to this site as a participant. A citation is requested in the second prargraph of this article and I thought the following might be useful?

Cryosols as a test of our knowledge of Earth as a system: Review by J.G.Bockheim, page 1. retrieved 14/01/11 from http://www.ldd.go.th/swcst/Report/soil/symposium/pdf/0219.pdf)

Thanks SE — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shamalaevans (talkcontribs) 21:13, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Report in Nature Geoscience suggested...[edit]

I took out:

Report in Nature Geoscience suggested in April 2012 that huge 'surges' of methane are released by melting permafrost. These are methane fields on a scale not seen before. The emissions went directly into the atmosphere.(Rob Waugh "Global warming puzzle becomes even MORE complex - as methane is detected seeping directly from the Arctic ocean" The Daily Mail, 24 April 2012) The Arctic meltdown has grave consequences for the entire planet.Arctic & Climate Change

for a couple of reasons. Firstly, as a science-type article, refs from the mail or greenpeace aren't good enough. Secondly, we have Arctic methane release and this stuff probably belongs there not here. Third its all a bit overenthusiastic and... what you'd expect from the mail, really William M. Connolley (talk) 12:48, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Fast facts about permafrost[edit]

I've left some suggestions with Kent Pørksen about how he (or another editor) can develop his good-faith contribution of "Fast facts" to better conform with Wikipedia's Manual of Style. User:HopsonRoad 13:01, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

The new fast facts contribution contains material that mostly belongs in other sections. I plan to move much of the material there. "Fast facts" is not a title that evokes the substance of the section. I would recommend a summary of important facts that are beyond the scope of the lead section. User:HopsonRoad 01:45, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
The fast facts section contain interesting information. I would like, very much like HopsonRoad, to see it included in the prose of the other sections. As prose it would fit Wikipedias Manual of Style. Dentren | Talk 08:37, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, Dentren. That's consistent with my intentions. User:HopsonRoad 17:04, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Unreferenced items moved from former section entitled, "Fast facts about permafrost"[edit]

Editors who can provide suitable references for the following statements are welcome to move them into the narrative of pertinent sections in the main article.

  • In northern Siberia and Canada, the permafrost can extend down to depths of more than 700 meters.
  • When the climate becomes warmer, the permafrost layer thaws completely or partially in parts of the landscape. In areas where ice caps are melting and glaciers are retreating, permafrost will again be formed.
  • Permafrost does not disappear from Greenland, because the permafrost is more than 100 meters thick in large parts of Greenland. Only the upper 1–2 m of permafrost is threatened by thawing in the coming years.
  • Permafrost may include both soil and solid rock. Rocks contain no organic material, while soil contains large amounts of organic material. If soil layers thaw due to global warming, the warming may increase the microbial decomposition of organic material.
  • Areas covered by permafrost are often a mosaic of areas with herbaceous plants, ericaceous plants, low scrub with willow bushes, and marshes, ponds and streams. In the areas bordering the Arctic permafrost is common in open forests with tree species such as birch, pine, larch and spruce.
  • The plant cover of permafrost in Greenland is dominated by a few hardy and hardy plants such as the Arctic Willow, heather, saxifrages, Dryas and various species of mosses, lichens, grasses and sedges. Under the extreme growing conditions in the high Arctic even 100 year old specimens of Arctic Willow are just a few centimeters high. In Russia, Scandinavia and Canada large areas of permafrost are covered with pine and birch forest. Due to global warming, plant growth in the Arctic increases and the tree line moves north.
  • Different groups of microorganisms produce carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide and other greenhouse gases when permafrost thaws. Carbon dioxide is formed by a multitude of fungi and bacteria during break down of old plant material in soil. Methane is formed exclusively by a specific group of archaea (bacteria-like microorganisms) and converted to carbon dioxide by certain groups of bacteria. Nitrous oxide is formed by certain bacteria, which may also convert the nitrous oxide to atmospheric nitrogen (N2).
  • Measured over a 100 year period, the warming potential of methane in the atmosphere is 25 times higher than carbon dioxide. Methane formed in deep soil layers may be converted into carbon dioxide by micro-organisms in the upper layer of soil prior to the release from the soil surface to atmosphere.
  • Permafrost may contain large quantities of ice, which is released as water when the permafrost thaws. This may cause soil collapse and increase transport of solutes, including organic matter, nutrients and pollution, which may be carried long distances by river or sea water.
  • Permafrost properties can rarely be assessed from the surface or from satellite images, so it is necessary to drill through the permafrost to measure its distribution and condition.
  • A warmer climate and less permafrost can open up a number of advantages for the people of Greenland, e.g. in relation to agriculture and extraction of minerals.

User:HopsonRoad 00:26, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Former "See also" items to be worked into article[edit]

I deleted all but one of the following from "See also", which didn't meet WP guidelines for that section. They can and should be incorporated into the article, itself:

User:HopsonRoad 15:35, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Now incorporated in article. User:HopsonRoad 17:12, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Moved from External links[edit]

WP:External Links limits the number and character of these, so I have parked the following here as resources to be worked into the article, as appropriate:

User:HopsonRoad 20:31, 8 November 2014 (UTC)