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Why was this considered for deletion?[edit]

Why would this have even been considered for deletion? Almost as soon as I saw it I was wondering how you nominate articles for featured article status. My favorable opinion of it is based on its clarity. Spalding 12:18, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)

In the unlikely event that you're still wondering (or for the benefit of later readers), see: WP:FA. --Teratornis 22:37, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

This page is junk[edit]

The concept of permanent links is not specific to blogs and was not invented by bloggers or by any specific blogger, regardless of what this page may assert. This issue is described abundantly in W3C documentation concerning good web page practices and almost certainly goes back into the 1990's. Bloggers seem to be suffering from the "not invented here" syndrome. Benwing 00:21, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

YES, SEE Persistent Uniform Resource Locator and URN. -- Anonymous 15 november 2006.

True, and I would add that the use of permanent links on wikis rates a mention. However, the problem of link rot on "plain ol'" Web sites is more of an unintentional side effect of site maintenance. In contrast, blogs and wikis have volatile links and content as a direct result of their organizing principles. This requires blogs and wikis to provide specific features to let people link to snapshots of content as it appeared at specific times in the past. And that required bloggers and wiki users to give this set of features a compact name. By saying "permalink," bloggers are effectively implying "We expect this site to change like crazy, so we give you an unchanging way to link to pieces of it." That is different than the typical "plain ol'" Web site which simply ignores its problem of link rot and provides no defense against it. By ignoring the problem, "plain ol'" Web sites ceded "ownership" of the idea to the blogger community, which systematically tried to address the problem of link rot. That's how I would look at it, anyway. --Teratornis 22:37, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Not simple enough[edit]

I wanted to know what a Permalink was. This article may be useful for internet historians or archivists but is way too complicated an answer for the simple question: "What is a Permalink?".

I hate this word. It should have been deleted. Mrdelayer~ 10:28, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

webopedia is the source for simple definitions of a word. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a dicitionary. Or perhaps a simple English version of this article will help you. If so, look into wikipedia simple English and make one yourself. Regardless of whether or not you hate the word, it's a well accepted word so your views are irrelevant60.234.141.76 10:40, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia permalinks[edit]

I see wikipedia now supports permalinks from the toolbox which is good. I occasionally use Wikipedia in essays etc and having to go to the history to get the permalink was annoying! Anyone know when this additions occured? I'm pretty sure it wasn't there on the 19th August but it's there today on the 24th 60.234.141.76 10:40, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

For the record:
Since Wikipedia itself has a toolbox | Permanent link feature, I am adding a {{Selfref}} template to the top of the article, containing a link to the manual section describing permanent links in Wikipedia. --Teratornis 15:38, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
mw:Manual talk:Navigation bar#Search Box and Toolbox says the toolbox entries are a feature of the skin. To find out when your toolbox changed, you would have to study the development history of the skin you use. --Teratornis 15:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

What does permalinks mean?[edit]

Looking back at the article, it says "if an item is changed, moved or renamed, the permalink remains unalternated". This is a bit confusing to me. My understand is a permalink is like the wikipedia permalink and e.g. some online book permalinks. The permalink always links to the version of the item that you are currently viewing! However from this statement, I'm confused. It sounds as if it is suggesting that the permalink will point to the new version of a changed article not the old. This is quite different from the definition I first gave and I think we need this to be clarified. If there are two different meanings of permalinks, one for blogs etc and one for stuff like wikipedia and books this needs to be made clear. If this is not the case, then the wording needs to be rephrased. E.g. "if an item is changed, moved or renamed, the permalink remains linked to the unalternated version". 60.234.141.76 10:47, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Crediting the coiners[edit]

What supporting reference says Scott Banister and Matt Kerner coined the term? If none, we need to remove it because unfortunately Wikipedia is the reference for subjects like these. Lotsofissues 01:40, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree with Lotsof. His or her simple request has been pending since November 2005 and has not been fulfilled. Do a Google search for this little obscure factoid and you will find dozens of sites quoting WikiP. I am removing the reference. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis 00:16, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Again, what does permalink mean?[edit]

Wiktionary defines it as: "A static address (link) to an individual blog entry or news item on the World Wide Web." So, basically, the only difference between a permalink and a plain ol' link is that permalink is a term used by bloggers to indicate a link that is more human readable? One that doesn't have a CGI-style URL with a question mark in it? I mean, I create all sorts of permanent links all the time, and I'm not planning on them going anywhere. Are they permalinks? Does intention differentiate a permalink? Who designs transient links, anyhow? I don't get it. --Dwiki 22:22, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay, took the time to decode this article and re-wrote chunks of it. Comments? --Dwiki 21:35, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
How does the first picture help with the understanding of a permalink? # is not the universal symbol for a permalink, so I think that it is more confusing than anything else. Maybe a picture of a more widely recognized site would be better? 128.30.44.75 18:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Where's the history?[edit]

The link in the history section from "Jason Kottke" does not use the term "permalink". I understand it may be an early use of the concept of permalinking but the lead-in makes it sound like he invented the term. If he did, other evidence must be given or the paragraph should be rewritten. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ulmanor (talkcontribs) 15:55, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes. The pre-2000 uses of the word I could find on Usenet, via Google Groups:
  • Sep 1994 – in the context of linking C programs – <NEAL.94Sep12091147@homer.ctd.comsat.com>
  • July 1995 – web-related company named permalink.com – <3v3bmi$rtd@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>#1/1
  • Nov 1996 – since my ubernet connection is hard wired to the ol' cranium, I've got a permalink to all my artaff buddies – <574j75$fr@crl12.crl.com>
  • Oct 1999 – Cad? This word has a permalink to Terry-Thomas for some of us. Do you know him? – <381849f0.90499275@news.demon.co.uk>#1/1
The last one (in rec.arts.poems) is interesting because it seems to use the word as if the readers were familiar with it. Here, it seems to be a technical term used as a metaphor for "a fixed mental association between a phrase and a person". And looking at the Usenet archives for 2000, there are hundreds of hits for some bicycle chain brand (?) called Permalink. Then in August, someone who uses the Blogger software posts a snippet of HTML which uses the term; [1]. JöG 01:16, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
This is irrelevant; the subject of this article is not the word "permalink", but the notion predominantly known by that name. This is an encyclopedia, not a history of the English language. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 08:04, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

usage is not limited to blogs[edit]

You can find the "permalink" term used in a number of places on web, whenever there is a distinction between the URL used to view a page and the a persistent URL that can be used to link it.

For example, the American Institute of Physics use the "permalink" term on web pages for journal articles. See, for example, http://link.aip.org/link/?APPLAB/91/031105/1

Someone needs to do a little digging to see how widely this term is usage, and update the page accordingly.

—Steven G. Johnson (talk) 01:35, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I too am doubtful of the current discussion that excludes static URLs. Considering some of the above posters having similar doubts, I am adding the misleading-tag for now. I am also not certain that the semantic implied by <link rel="bookmark" href="[Permalink URL]" /> at the bottom of the page is correct. 94.220.244.75 (talk) 17:54, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Permapermalink (Permanent in a bigger sense)[edit]

Dear Discussion Group,

Is there a term/name for a making a link that stays permanent even after a the original page is gone?

I could not find it. Maybe you can lmgify me.

If this has not already been done, then it is absolutely doable: When a blogger makes a link, simply have the blogging software mirror/cache the page (e.g. "wget --mirror --level=5 http://someurl") and keep the page permanently on-site.

Pages get updated, I understand, but one can also keep a header on top of the mirrored page that says when the mirror was taken and what is the original link. Older version is always better than a broken link.

Alex —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alevchuk (talkcontribs) 18:55, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Static content can be modified[edit]

The article states "Originally, all hyperlinks were permalinks, as content was static.". Just because content was static does not mean is was not altered or restructured. Static content can still suffer from link rot. So is this statement useful? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.111.76.119 (talk) 12:58, 14 June 2010 (UTC)


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