Talk:Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
          This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
WikiProject Christianity (Rated C-class, High-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Christianity, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Christianity on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
C-Class article C  This article has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale.
 High  This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.
 

This article has comments here.

WikiProject Soviet Union (Rated C-class, High-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Soviet Union, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
C-Class article C  This article has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale.
 High  This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.
 

This article has comments here.

WikiProject Socialism (Rated C-class, Mid-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Socialism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of socialism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
C-Class article C  This article has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Mid  This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
 

This article has comments here.

This article has an assessment summary page.

20 million killed because of atheist policies[edit]

I have reverted addition of the following text:

The total number of Christians killed, as a result of Soviet state atheist policies, has been estimated at over 20 million.[1][2][3]
  1. ^ Todd M. Johnson, “Christian Martyrdom: A global demographic assessment“, pp. 4-5
  2. ^ Orthodox Leaflet “The Way Home. Issue 13.2e - The Orthodox Church”, article prepared by Anne K. Turley, and originally published with the blessing of the Most Reverend Anthony Archbishop of Western American San Francisco
  3. ^ “Focusing on the Persecuted Church: The Century of Martyrs” at http://www.jwipn.com

First the sources are certainly not reliable there are things like anonymous leaflets or selfpublished staff with sentences like: Karl Marx, a German Jew who initially embraced Christianity, but later turned to Satanism., etc. Most people killed by Bolsheviks were not killed because of their christian faith but because of their class or ethnic heritage, false accusation in espionage, etc. The total number of victims is strongly debated but probably less than 20 millions. We need a better sourcing to enter an exact number of victims, I am not sure a reliable number of victims of faith-based repressions is available, though Alex Bakharev (talk) 04:34, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, if someone wants to include statistics on religious persecution, they need better sources and rewrite. My very best wishes (talk) 18:46, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I believe the “Christian Martyrdom: A global demographic assessment“ reference qualifies as reliable, since its author, professor Todd M. Johnson, has expertise in religious demographics. However, according to the following books, the number has also been estimated to 12 million (James M. Nelson), and 15-20” millions (David Barrett, cited by David Taylor). Since it is not our job to determine the correct number, I believe it is reasonable to state that the number has been estimated to range between 12-20 millions. (Also, please note that the proposed text, does not claim that 12-20 millions were actually killed, but merely that the number of victims has been estimated at 12-20 millions.) Cody7777777 (talk) 07:29, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

OK, I personally do not have objections to any version. My very best wishes (talk) 22:48, 3 November 2013 (UTC)