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Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment[edit]

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 6 September 2020 and 6 December 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): CaptainJoseph.

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Aegis[edit]

Over the course of researching information for this title, I found some information I wanted to ask about. While I found my answer over the course of further searching, I still thought I'd mention this here, for future reference:

Back in 2010, there a reliable source that reported that The Persona 5 main character would be an introvert, and the game would mark the return of Aegis. However, but this was later retracted as a misinterpretation, where their source had been referring to the other upcoming Persona game at the time - Persona 3 Portable. Sergecross73 msg me 16:06, 12 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Picture of the new MC[edit]

Since the picture of the new Harry PotterMC for P5 is already released, I was wondering if it's relevant to add it to the article (of course editing it into a more appropriate situations once the game comes out).   Remorseless Angel   讲  19:29, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think I'd just wait until some better images are released. The image policy is so strict about having images be entirely necessary to depict something that words cannot. I don't think this would fall into that category. I don't think the character is mentioned, and if he was/were to be, there's really nothing to be said, there's absolutely nothing known about him at this point, other than he looks like anime Harry Potter... Sergecross73 msg me 19:48, 22 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to see an image of the MC I'd suggest going to the Wikia. It's not necessary to include an image of the character just because once exists, it serves no useful discussion in the article at this time. —KirtZMessage 00:50, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
We don't even know for sure that he's the main character yet. There's no harm in waiting until we have more information. IDVtalk 03:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I guess that's pretty fair. Thanks for the comments, guys :).   Remorseless Angel   讲  18:53, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Name of Anne Takamaki[edit]

Sorry, but I believe a mistake has been made under the Characters section in regards to this name.

During the recently released PV, you can clearly read her name written as Anzu (in Kanji) during the section in which the UI is displayed. I don't want to change this before checking here first to see if anyone else disagrees though, or if anyone has some kind of alternative official source that lists her name as Anne that I'm unaware of. Jalapenowiki (talk) 13:48, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Problem is, the kanji 杏 seems to have the alternative reading "An" (which some people interpreted as Anne). I dunno what to do about this - of course we'll get confirmation of the correct reading of her name eventually, but I don't want to have a potentially wrong name presented as absolutely true until then. IDVtalk 20:07, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Anne is definitely wrong, though. An, maybe, since the kanji can be read that way, but not the western name Anne. If it was meant to be Anne it would be written in katakana. 106.68.115.54 (talk) 23:04, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We should leave it as Anzu for now at least. Since its not Westernized yet we have no idea what Atlus will call her over here. —KirtZMessage 12:24, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
As I tried to express in edit summaries, I honestly don't think we should even have a characters section like this, for this very reason - its still just based entirely on people watching the trailers, right? The whole things kinda speculative. Not to mention, virtually nothing is known about any character, so all of the information currently there is entirely pointless. Sergecross73 msg me 13:49, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I support this. Until we have some more stuff to write about the characters, it'd be enough to just mention that a boy, a girl, and an anthropomorphic cat are in the party, in the overview section (which should be expanded with the new Famitsu info. IDVtalk 15:00, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Unless the names were officially romanized yet, we shouldn't include them in the article. Wikipedia also does this with a lot of Japanese only game titles. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:49, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We could just title it as "An" instead of "Anzu" or "Anne" since both are wrong. The kanji in her name is An though, not Anzu. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.160.80.244 (talk) 21:47, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Heads up - fake release date[edit]

Just a heads up to the people who maintain the article with me - it looks like the Atlus Japan was hacked, showing a July release date. It appears to be fake, or at the very least not officially supposed to be announced, so we'll need to keep it out of the article. Just thought I'd mention it as an explanation as to why it may keep being re-added to the article. Sergecross73 msg me 16:37, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

CN tag source[edit]

  • ProtoDrake - Check out this source. I think prep work on the game started prior to 2010. This interview said it started during Persona 4, which would be at least 2008. My old version of the article, when I expanded it out of stub status, I believe had commentary/source saying that work my have started in 2009, but it's since been removed. Regardless, I think it traces back earlier than 2010. Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 12:46, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sergecross73, I did check this out, and if you'll look at my recent edit, I've incorporated it into the text. It sounds more like Soejima was doing design work on the expectation of P5, and his work became incorporated and fleshed out when development actually began. Also, I've already included it being rumored as being in development since 09, which was part of the text as I found it. --ProtoDrake (talk) 14:45, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • To me, it seemed more like the version here that Dissident93 tagged for needing a source was a little more accurate to the source, as I had found the interview that the IP apparently was referring to when they made the addition. Your version mentions twice (lead and body) that preparatory work started in 2010, but it sounds like it was going on during P4, which would be closer to 2008. "Preparatory work" is already a pretty unofficial, "light" form of working on a game, and I personally wouldn't separate that as something different than "working on design expections". Basically, what was going on in 2008 and what he was doing in 2010, doesn't sound any different to me. Sergecross73 msg me 15:41, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've made a suitable adjustment. I've included the two statements, similar to what I did with The Last Story. Hope that brings things to an acceptable middle ground. --ProtoDrake (talk) 16:35, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, I think that's a good compromise. I'm fine with something like "around the end of development of P4" or something like that if you feel it flows better than "during the end or shortly after" wording. Totally your call, I'm fine with either. I just think its important to note that, despite the massive length in between releases, they've been working on this in some capacity, since the last release. Sergecross73 msg me 17:12, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

spoiler proposal[edit]

i would like to to prpose that we keep spoilers away from this article before the american release date espeacaily since it has been reported that atlus is blocking spoilers http://www.idigitaltimes.com/persona-5-spoilers-atlus-vows-delete-any-plot-details-social-media-555759 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.84.6.38 (talk) 01:46, 15 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There's no legal authority that Atlus has over Wikipedia. If after the game is out in Japan that someone adds spoilers, there's nothing against that as we don't hide spoilers on released works. --MASEM (t) 01:52, 15 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:SPOILER. I don't really write story sections, so it's not like I'd be the one adding story info, but if someone did, there'd be no grounds for removal as far as Wikipedia policies go... Sergecross73 msg me 10:49, 15 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ann Takamaki is not half.[edit]

She is a quarter.221.185.254.183 (talk) 05:40, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Unlike earlier games in the series, Persona 5 does not include the Shin Megami Tensei moniker."[edit]

Needs some reworking, as some earlier games didn't have it either, unless Revalations as in Revelations: Persona somehow is a weird translation of SMT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.18.173.40 (talk) 22:55, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • I don't think this statement is saying every previous game in the series used the moniker, just most (mainly Persona 3 and 4). ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:44, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I kinda find it a bit redundant so I suggest removing it unless Atlus explains why did they make that decision.Tintor2 (talk) 20:57, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see a good reason to remove it though (don't see how it's redundant), so it's probably best to keep it for now. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:48, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That being said, I did change the wording to read "In Western regions, Persona 5 was the first main game in the series since Persona 2: Eternal Punishment to omit the Shin Megami Tensei moniker.", which I think is a bit clearer on why this is notable. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:52, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Now that I googled it, wasn't Persona 4 Golden the first game from the Persona series to omit the moniker?Tintor2 (talk) 23:21, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Now that you mention it, yeah. However, that wasn't really a "main series" entry in the series, just a remake of Persona 4. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 00:23, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Silent Protagonist"[edit]

I disagree with the notion that the main character is a silent Protagonist. He has lots of dialogue and the dialogue is a main part of the story. It is true that much of his dialogue is short, but it is frequent. What do you guys think? Jamesjpk (talk) 16:11, 14 May 2017 (UTC)[reply] 

 Jamesjpk (talk) 16:11, 14 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Silent protagonist generally means someone who doesn't have a voice actor but you can still control his dialogue, alike in skyrim. WolvesS (talk) 16:46, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
But, he does speak. He calls all of the names of the personas, as well as other things whilst in battle. He doesn't really say as much as a sentence, but does have a voice actor. 09:38, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
Doesn't change anything. P3 and P4 main characters had the same thing. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 19:14, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Characters in Persona 5[edit]

Currently in the midst of creating List of Persona 5 characters; in line with list of Persona 3 characters, and List of Persona 4 characters. I have done some information on the main squad; but it is a large job; feel free to jump in with information, references or layout changes.

When the article is more up to date, we should edit the article here into Settings and characters sections on their own; as Setting could easily be expanded, and with a main article, the characters section would make more sense on it's own. Lee Vilenski(talk) 13:04, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Stage play information[edit]

@Dissident93: Commenting on the removal of information at this edit: why was it removed? A stage play adaptation is worth mentioning especially since this is an official production endorsed by Atlus. The actors involved in the production are notable; they just don't have articles on the English Wikipedia.

I see the stage play as important but the actors could be better mentioned in the character list.Tintor2 (talk) 16:35, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know, I don't think we need to list performers for a one-time spinoff. Perhaps we should limit them to the notable actors only? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 18:16, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Notable actors sounds a bit subjective. It's just that plays are not that popular in other countries so the actors don't have their own articles in this Wikipedia. By this logic, I shouldn't have created the articles for some Bungo Stray Dogs characters, movie and lists even though the other Wikipedias didn't have their own separated articles.Tintor2 (talk) 19:03, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If they don't have any coverage by English publications, then I'd argue that they do lack some notability. Even the fact that they don't all have Japanese wiki articles is telling. Any reader curious enough to see the cast can simple click the citation and read it there, that's what it's for after all. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 19:57, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The play is going to have multiple parts as currently only cast members appearing up to Yusuke's arc have been announced (see Persona 3: The Weird Masquerade). The main cast members get plenty of coverage on Anime News Network especially since the majority of them have acted in anime-related 2.5D musicals (such as Ino, Shiota, Kominami, and, especially Sasaki). I can help establish actor notability by adding these articles since WikiProject Japan tends to focus more on historical Japan instead of pop culture/entertainment. lullabying (talk) 20:44, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Articles for Hiroki Ino and Koji Kominami are established. @Tintor2: do you think it's a good idea to start listing them in the character section? lullabying (talk) 01:08, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. I find them similar to how voice actors or actors in general are mentioned in a series that has had this types of media.Tintor2 (talk) 01:18, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your input. I'll do so. lullabying (talk) 07:34, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Australia Royal Early Release Date[edit]

The game broke street date a whole seven days before the original set release date[1], and while it was only the work of retailers (I think on the Playstation Store it was still locked until the 31sty for example) would it still constitute it's own mention in the infobox? While I don't believe there was any official statement from anyone, I find it highly unlikely they would just do something like this solely on their own prerogative even with the threat of essential retail being forced to close down due to coronavirus. Dave247 (talk) 13:04, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dave247, it could be mentioned in prose, but I don't think this is really that important enough to mention in the infobox. It was only two retailers in a single country that did this. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:46, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah that's fair and more or less what I figured. I thought it might of been more than just two, like other retailers took the opportunity to sell early because they did but I haven't been able to find any evidence of this as almost all articles on the subject mainly point to the one retailer (struggled to find an article that mentioned the second retailer). Without being able to references it it may as well not have even happened (if it even did at all). Dave247 (talk) 00:36, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Persona 5: Royal Has Broken Street Date In Australia [Update: JB Follows Suit]". Kotaku Australia. 2020-03-26. Retrieved 2020-05-20.

GA nomination[edit]

I'm afraid the article can't be nominated right now, especially considering the most prominent users are not involved. Also the reception's issues are still present.Tintor2 (talk) 02:57, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please elaborate, i'm new to this and it said that anyone could nominate an article. Also, I hoped to grab the attention of some of the most frequent contributors and was wondering if anyone could help promote it. Sorry.Reggie's Wrath (talk) 03:44, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Whilst any user can nominate for GA status, it is generally for high contributed editors to do. You should really at the very least ask before nominating. Suggesting that frequent contributers to the article being able to promote the article - that isn't how it works. We require someone without input to an article to review it against the criteria. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:09, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
What I meant was to help get it promoted through making the article better. Sorry if i wasn't clear on that. Reggie's Wrath (talk) 22:58, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
On this note (I know this is quite stale), is it worth making up a list of items that are needed to do to get it ready for GA? I had a quick skim through the article and it really isn't super far off the criteria, and I'm happy to put some work in to get it to the nomination point. There is some issues with the reception, a CITEKILL issue but nothing that wouldn't be reasonably easy to fix. As we are now quite a while after release it is going to be stable enough. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:05, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski: Yeah, I would suggest imitating the reception section of big RPG games like Final Fantasy VII Remake or Final Fantasy XV where each paragraph focuses on a different subject. In case you are not sure, I recommend requesting a copyedit to the guild. There is also the idea of making a peer review to gather multiple opinions from other readers.Tintor2 (talk) 17:15, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Masahiro Sakurai's statement is second-hand[edit]

"The game's director, Masahiro Sakurai, is a fan of the Persona series and stated that Joker was emblematic of the approach that he wanted to take with Ultimate's DLC, adding that he wanted characters that were unique and fun to use within the Super Smash Bros. environment." (source)

Sakurai didn't actually say that, it was Reggie Fils-Aimé, the ex-Presdient of Nintendo of America. I feel like that should be clarified, as it makes it sound like Sakurai is the one choosing the DLC. To the contrary, Sakurai has actually mentioned on Twitter that Nintendo were the ones who completely decided on the Smash Ultimate DLC characters:

"Super Smash Bros. Ultimate’s DLC line-up is now complete. This time the selection was made entirely by Nintendo. I decide if we can create a fighter based on their selection, then come up with the plan." (source)

The article in which Reggie Film-Aimé made the original statement, he went on to say:

"And so [Sakurai has] been the driver in really thinking about what type of character coming into Super Smash Bros. Ultimate would bring just a whole different level of fun and enjoyment for the player. That's been the approach. That's the thinking."

And yet, Sakurai himself had to clarify in his Famitsu column that Byleth from Fire Emblem: Three Houses wasn't his decision, but Nintendo's:

"My preferences don’t play a role in which new fighters are added; Nintendo has a larger say in that decision and brings their thoughts to the table." (source)

Credit Sega as the developer of the recent port?[edit]

Many of you will know that Sega was mostly in charge of doing the port for other consoles. Now even though Sega published the game and owns Altus should we mention in the developer section that Sega developed the port? NakhlaMan (talk) 03:09, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If it's cited, sure. I don't think this is important enough for the lead/infobox though. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 08:57, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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