Talk:Peter Courtenay

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
          This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
WikiProject Biography (Rated C-class)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.
C-Class article C  This article has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale.
 
WikiProject Devon (Rated C-class, Low-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Devon, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of topics connected with Devon. If you would like to participate, you can visit the WikiProject Devon project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks.
C-Class article C  This article has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Low  This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
 
WikiProject Christianity / Catholicism / Anglicanism (Rated C-class, Low-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Christianity, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Christianity on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
C-Class article C  This article has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Low  This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by WikiProject Catholicism (marked as Low-importance).
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by WikiProject Anglicanism (marked as Low-importance).
 
WikiProject England (Rated C-class, Low-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject England, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of England on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
C-Class article C  This article has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Low  This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
 
WikiProject Hampshire (Rated C-class, Low-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Hampshire, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Hampshire on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
C-Class article C  This article has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Low  This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
 
WikiProject University of Oxford (Rated C-class, Low-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject University of Oxford, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the University of Oxford on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
C-Class article C  This article has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale.
Checklist icon
 Low  This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
 
WikiProject Middle Ages (Rated C-class)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Middle Ages, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the Middle Ages on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
C-Class article C  This article has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale.
 ???  This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
 

WikiProject class rating[edit]

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 07:32, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

When sources conflict...[edit]

When authoritative sources contradict each other, they should all be explicated and the differences described. Tout is outdated - so if the HBC and the ODNB give different dates, give both, saying who says what. Don't just delete one source unless it has been described as outdated. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:47, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Ealdgyth. If you want to add the page citations from Fryde back in with an explanatory note citing the differences between the dates given in Horrox and Fryde, please go ahead. I searched online to see whether I could find a copy of Fryde to verify the dates, but couldn't find one. The Horrox article in the ODNB seems carefully researched, and has been considerably updated from Tout's old DNB article, and I thought it was likely more reliable in this instance than Fryde, but I could be wrong about that. NinaGreen (talk) 20:29, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Okay, they didn't conflict, they reported different information - his election date is given in Fryde, but Horrox is reporting the date that the pope provided him to the see. These are different things - the election doesn't involve the papacy, it involved his cathedral chapter choosing him. By this time in the late middle ages, the papacy was asserting the right to appoint most bishops but didn't quite have the power to overrule the chapters that often, so if the chapter's choice was acceptable to the papacy, they went ahead and provided (or appointed) the chapter's choice after getting word of the election. That's what appears to have happened here - the papacy provided him about 4 months after the actual election... both dates are relevant. Ealdgyth - Talk 22:49, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! I wasn't aware of the difference between election and provision. NinaGreen (talk) 22:58, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
There's a reason that the papal bureauracy is often called the oldest in the world... it's been at paper pushing a LONG time... Ealdgyth - Talk 23:11, 24 October 2012 (UTC)