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Archives[edit]

dispute over notability of J. Faucounau's reading

Phaistos Disc and Printing[edit]

I put it back to "clearly an understanding of printing", because according to the following definition it clearly, not reasonably is.

If you mean its printing because it uses movable type (stamps) I'd have to say yes. It would be wonderful if we could find other disks stamped with the same glyphs, that might help establish it as something like a trade good, a calendar say that would always require the same glyphs arranged in the same way. 142.0.102.117 (talk) 16:32, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Golden Ring from Mavro Spelio[edit]

Just for your information, Mr Bachmann, may I call your attention upon the "Annexe n° 3" of the J.Faucounau's book Les Origines grecques à l'Age de Bronze ? It is a very short, accessory study of the said inscription, considered by J.F. as the only known document in Linear A, which could be written in Proto-Ionian Greek. A translation has even been given, but considered by the author as nothing but an interesting possibility (personal discussion with J.F. about one year ago). J.F. has emphasized in another article (unpublished but that he was kind enough to give me a copy of) that Linear A has been used to write several languages (including Semitic). But, of course, you will consider all this as amateur's dreaming , I guess... You are so well informed by one of your compatriots, Mr Bachmann !.. (User 80.90.57.154 , 17:12, March 26, 2006).

Phaistos Disc and the "Hands of God"[edit]

If you look at this link you can see something at the top right of the page which I think you will agree is the comb-shaped object on the Phaistos Disc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hands_of_God

Do you think it should be included on the main page about the disc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex-the-grate2 (talkcontribs) 20:35, 21 March 2011 (UTC)


Not without a reliable sources saying it's on the Phaistos disc. Please read WP:RS. Dougweller (talk) 10:31, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Which article? You don't mean the nebula, I hope? (Collin237) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.178.139.40 (talk) 07:59, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

I think Alex means this image: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HandsGod.svg. (It is currently in the article Slavic neopaganism, but I referenced it from Wiki Commons because images come and go from articles.) It is from the Przeworsk culture, in what is now Poland, over 1000 years later than Phaistos.
-- Solo Owl 13:01, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Sign No 14, "manacles" or "yoke"?[edit]

Does sign n.14 not look like this: oxen yoke ? I wonder how many ambitious "translators" have been missled by the funny interpratation of s.14 as "manacles". It is highly unlikely that in bronze age manacles were used or were that important so as to be s symbol. The yoke was (and still is) a highly estimated object and symbol in most cultures. Not sure though if this idea of mine will help any translator-to-be. --Enoiken (talk) 08:15, 5 May 2011 (UTC) I always took that as a yoke. Many Pictographic scripts use some set of these glyphs. Crete traded with Egypt so its probably not irrelevant to have a look at Gardiner's sign list and other accepted reference works. The Yoke, The shaved head of the priest, the Peleset headress, the shield with seven dots, Asherah's dotted pubic triangle and other glyphs should be coordinated with the entire pictographic corpus. In addition to that some of these glyphs are very datable, The Peleset would date the disk pretty conclusively to the 18th or 19th dynasties of Egypt. The boat is a particular style of vessel which is datable. The beehive shaped structures are datable. The goddesses costume is datable. I'd also include among the interpretations the number of register sets overall on each side and not just the individual glyphs in the registers, the sequence of glyphs, for example there are 12 Peleset heads followed by shields and one head without a shield.142.0.102.117 (talk) 16:28, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

unicode signs[edit]

sorry for my bad english first. In "4.4. Inscription text" is as example for can read the signs mentioned: Fonts Everson Mono or Code2001. I installed now extra for this article Code2001, Everson Mono is shareware and I don't pay 25 Dollar just to read an article in Wikipedia. Result: still no signs to see - still only the stripes. Is there another (Freeware-)Font which maybe fix this Problem? -- Hartmann Schedel cheers 11:16, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry you don't like to support font development, Hartmann. -- Evertype· 13:04, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
The Aegean font is freeware and supports Phaistos. BabelStone (talk) 11:38, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
hehe wonderfull - this one works. Thank you sooo much for this hint. Maybe it should stand in the article also? -- Hartmann Schedel cheers 18:51, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
No Wikipedia article for this font.BabelStone (talk) 21:15, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
I just installed a free copy of Code2001 from Alan Wood's web site - thanks, Alan! After doing this I noticed that the article seems to have 2 instances of the characters using Unicode: one under Inscription text, and another after the numerical transcription. Can we get rid of one of them?! Jpaulm (talk) 01:31, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
I shouldn't have to come in here to try to figure out why I can't see the special Unicode characters. This should somehow be made either "automatic" or some easy, user-friendly feature should be implemented within Wikipedia. I don't know where to mention or suggest this other than here. But someone needs to address this issue and "fix" it. (I installed both the Aegean and Code2001 fonts and the characters still do not display in Firefox 31.0 or IE 11) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.166.252 (talk) 21:02, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

The names of those credited with dating the disc make little sense[edit]

The section on Dating is in dire need of citations. Most "Notable" people in that section are only referred to by their first two initials and their surnames, and am I expected to believe that an airline (Jeppeson) can be used as a notable opinion on how it dates?--Soft and Stout (talk) 04:12, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Phaistos Disc Decrypted[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaistos_Disc_Decrypted — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiGeorgiaPhasito (talkcontribs) 16:10, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

This was apparently an attempt to add a 2006 decipherment claim by Gia Kvashilava (e.g. www.gerodot.ru/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=48&start=150) - the right place to add this is in Phaistos_Disc_decipherment_claims . If whoever tried to add this sees this post, please put it in the right place! BTW there is already a screenshot relating to this in Wikipedia files. Jpaulm (talk) 17:15, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 March 2013[edit]

Please add the information below to the Phaistos Disk description, or wherever it belongs.

An article in the December 2012 issue is about the ancient phaistos disk. [Request 1] "The Phaistos Disk: A New Approach," by Victoria Shockley wrote that author Peter Aleff says the "signs are actually markings for the fields on an ancient game board path, and he offers evidence to support this analysis" in his book titled Solomon's Sky: The Religious Board Game on the Phaistos Disk [Request 2].

Cynthia Harris

Blacklilackitty (talk) 15:41, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done - the edit request template specifically says that your request has to state where the information should go. And frankly, I don't think it belongs anywhere in the article other than as a reference.--Launchballer 18:19, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

"Inscription Text" Section - Unicode?[edit]

Is there a reason that this section does not use the {{Unicode}} template? The net effect of that template is to add <span class="Unicode">...</span> tags around the text. That would thus enable the use of personal CSS stylesheets, as discussed on the documentation page for {{Unicode}}. Below is a sample of how I would propose to code this section:

¦ 𐇑𐇛𐇜𐇐𐇡𐇽 | 𐇧𐇷𐇛 | 𐇬𐇼𐇖𐇽 | 𐇬𐇬𐇱 | 𐇑𐇛𐇓𐇷𐇰 | 𐇪𐇼𐇖𐇛 | 𐇪𐇻𐇗 | 𐇑𐇛𐇕𐇡[.] | 𐇮𐇩𐇲 | 𐇑𐇛𐇸𐇢𐇲 | 𐇐𐇸𐇷𐇖 | 𐇑𐇛𐇯𐇦𐇵𐇽 | 𐇶𐇚 | 𐇑𐇪𐇨𐇙𐇦𐇡 | 𐇫𐇐𐇽 | 𐇑𐇛𐇮𐇩𐇽 | 𐇑𐇛𐇪𐇪𐇲𐇴𐇤 | 𐇰𐇦 | 𐇑𐇛𐇮𐇩𐇽 | 𐇑𐇪𐇨𐇙𐇦𐇡 | 𐇫𐇐𐇽 | 𐇑𐇛𐇮𐇩𐇽 | 𐇑𐇛𐇪𐇝𐇯𐇡𐇪 | 𐇕𐇡𐇠𐇢 | 𐇮𐇩𐇛 | 𐇑𐇛𐇜𐇐 | 𐇦𐇢𐇲𐇽 | 𐇙𐇒𐇵 | 𐇑𐇛𐇪𐇪𐇲𐇴𐇤 | 𐇜𐇐 | 𐇙𐇒𐇵 |

 Grollτech (talk) 00:47, 5 November 2014 (UTC)