Talk:Philip IV of France

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Suggestion regarding the comment on Philippe not being fair:

Look up the word "fair."it could mean fair as look at bankers today;;;;;it would be fair to wipe them off the face of the earth though we are not that barbaric

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See comments on Philippe III. Same thing applies. Thanks.... DW

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For ideas for the beginnning of a deeper historical assessment, see "What links here." --Wetman 19:43, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

• User:Francis Schonken has take upon himself the job of redirecting the article. That is the first step. "What links here" will give the list of articles with redirects to be changed.--Wetman 08:50, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Philip the Fair?

There should be a section describing why Philip IV is called Philip the Fair when he obviously was not.

Er, "Fair" as in good-looking/blond, not "fair" as in "just." john k 17:50, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

The original French name is "Philippe le Bel", which clearly means "Philip the Handsome" (no conotation of being "Blond" here). PHG (talk) 20:34, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. Indeed, in this case, it just means "good looking." It certainly doesn't mean "Just". john k (talk) 01:32, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

There is a possibility that Philip IV had 2 Nicknames, Phillipe le Bel, (Handsome) and Phillipe le Faux, (Monetary Connotation) because of his devalue of the currency. And someone perhaps got confused. Fair makes no since unless he was blonde, was he ? --Edgemaniac (talk) 05:44, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Citing Sources

After the Friday The 13th sentence, it lists Citation Needed. I don't know who originally put that information about Friday the 13th there, but I just heard confirmation concerning it on the documentary "Knights Templar" on the History Channel. Is that good enough reference? If so, how would a reference for a television documentary look? Kwyjibear 07:56, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I would say no Edgemaniac (talk) 03:37, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Cenotaph photograph

Cenotaph of Philippe le Bel

Here is a photograph of the bust of Philippe le Bel, which I took in Saint-Denis. Could somebody kindly include it in the article, in the infobox? Best regards PHG (talk) 18:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Done! Ealdgyth - Talk 19:11, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! PHG (talk) 19:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Mongol Alliance

I did a substantial cut of the information on the diplomacy with the Mongols, and moved it to the bottom of the page. As it was, far too much undue weight for a relatively minor diplomatic effort for a king with profound influence on western Europe at the time. Probably worth checking to make sure I didn't mess up sourcing or mangle the text too much. 131.107.0.73 (talk) 15:54, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

We don't just cut information at a Wikipedia article, we move it to a more relevant article, which in this case would be Franco-Mongol_alliance. Someone may want to check that all these deletions here are represented there, and that nothing has actually been lost.--Wetman (talk) 19:27, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

It's never lost unless oversighted, it's still in the previous version history, should someone think it is germane somewhere else. Really, if nothing where ever removed from wikipedia, why then is AfD and MfD necessary? And yes, information sometimes needs to be cut as unnecessary or hindering of the reading of the article. Fully half of what was there were exceptionally long quotes which aren't necessary for an encyclopedia. And if you really want to see if this is all considered necessary for wikipedia, please do first peruse the talk page at Franco-Mongol_alliance as you'll see there's not only an arbcom case, but quite a bit of consensus that the information cut from here isn't exactly desired in it's previous form.

Coinage of Philippe le Bel

Feel free to insert the following information into the article. Cheers PHG (talk) 18:58, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps we need a Coinage of Philip IV of France article! Srnec (talk) 20:07, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Florin d'Or

"Petit Royal assis" de Philippe IV, August 1290, gold 3.51g. Obv: "PhILIPPVS DEI GRATIA" "Philip, by the Grace of God". Rev: "FRANCORUM REX" "King of the French".

Philippe le Bel's golden Florin, also called "Petit Royal assis" ("Small seated Royal") was the first French gold coin to reach major circulation. Its popularity was due to the fact that it was an authentic Florin, with a weight of 3.54 grams, and entirely made of pure gold. It was circulated without problem among the gold Florentine Florin and their imitations throughout Europe.

Masse d'Or

Masse de Philippe le Bel, 10 January 1296, gold, 7.04g. Obv: "PhILIPPVS:DEI:GRA(cia):FRANChORVM:REX" "Philip, by the Grace of God, King of the French".

Another important coin of Philip IV: le "Denier d'or de la Reine".

This landmark coin of Philippe le Bel, called a "Masse d'Or", was issued soon after the "false" double-Parisis and Tournois of 1295. It was minted from 10 January 1296 to August 1310. This coin was supposed to be a "Double Florin", but it was actually slightly de-based (it was a "false" Double-Florin). The weight of the coin was indeed double that of the "Petit Royal assis" (7.10g), but its title was only 22 karats (instead of 24 karats). The copper alloy used actually hardened the coin, so that it was nicknamed "Royal dur" ("Hard Royal"). Its value was one "livre Parisis" (one "Parisis pound").

Agnel d'Or

Agnel de Philippe le Bel, 26 January 1311, gold 4.01g. Obv: "AGN'(us)D(e)I'QVITOLL(is)P(e)CCA(ta)MV(n)DI MISERERE NOB'(IS) "Lamb of God burdened by the sins of the World, have mercy on us".

The "Agnel d'Or" ("Golden lamb") was the last gold coin of the reign of Philippe le Bel. It had a weight of 4.13g and was composed of pure 24 karats gold. Its value was one "Livre tournois" or 15 Parisis sols ("Sous Parisis").

Seal of Philippe le Bel

Seal of Philippe le Bel circa 1300.

Here's a photograph of the seal of Philippe le Bel (Musée National du Moyen Âge). Feel free to insert it in the article. Cheers PHG (talk) 17:05, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Conflict with Boniface VIII and the Avignon Papacy

There is very little about the Conflict with the Pope Boniface VIII (see also the german article and the facts that brought to the Avignon Papacy, in which the part played by Philip IV was not insignificant. Someone should expand the section! --Marcoranuzzi (talk) 09:52, 18 June 2009 (UTC)