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As of August 14, 2007:
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Hi. I've created pages for Philippine Folk Literature and added a summary of it to Philippine Mythology. I've also created pages for Maria Cacao and Maria Sinukuan, guardian goddesses of Mount Arayat and Mount Lantoy, respectively. I think we can add those two mountains to places in Philippine Myth, and in addition, Mount Banahaw and Mount Pinatubo which is sacred to the Aeta tribes. Erm... are we going to discuss ALL of Philippine Mythology in this box? Should this page be a list of 'to do's for the entire scope of Philippine Mythology? I was thinking of "hatching" a tentative "project page" of sorts on my page but since this is here, shall we just put everything here? Alternativity 14:25, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Also, I was wondering if we could have a different background color for the infoboxes? I was wondering if there was some way to make it more reminiscent of "Philippine" Mythology. Perhaps Red white and Blue? Or perhaps a bamboo motiff? Just a thought. Hehe. On a personal note, I'm not very fond of yellow, I'm afraid. hehe. Alternativity 14:25, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
|Priority 1 (top)|
- 1 Merging Philippine mythical creatures
- 2 Organization
- 3 Introduction
- 4 Mumu and Mubaiya
- 5 Work to do
- 6 Impakto
- 7 Unbaptised children, Angels that are neither good nor bad
- 8 "Regional Mythologies"
- 9 Igorot beliefs
- 10 In Popular Culture
- 11 Archetype Meanings In the individual pantheon entries
- 12 Weasel Words
- 13 Direct Quote needs citation
- 14 Malyari is he a god or demigod?
- 15 Inaccuracy
- 16 Notes on organization of Philippine mythology articles
- 17 Naming
- 18 Kekek - The visayan myth
- 19 The visayan myths
Merging Philippine mythical creatures
I definitely vote against merging Philippine mythical creatures into Philippine mythology, as there is much material on Creatures in Philippine Mythology which cannot be discussed in depth in a general discussion of Philippine Mythology. Instead, I propose that the Philippine Mythology article needs to be expanded, as the emphasis on legendary creatures or even Gods, is unwarranted. I believe Philippine Mythology should instead cover the unique characteristics of Filipino Mythology. I've been wanting to work on this project for a while, but I have not yet find the time. I am, on the other hand, slowly gathering resources so I can do so.
Soliciting comments. I'm wondering how this page can best be reorganized to reflect the whole scope of Philippine Mythology. At the moment, some of the things I'm bothered about include
"Higher" and "Lower" Mythology
- There is a rather apparent line between "Higher Myths" including
- the creation myths
- the origin myths
- and stories about
- And the creatures of lower mythology currently listed in the pantheon such as
But I'm not sure how to organize this in light of the whole article yet.
See note below
Evolution of Pinoy Mythology
I wonder if the page should also reflect the evolution of Philippine Mythology. I will have to read Nick Joaquin's Culture and History again to look for relevant insights.
Things I wonder about under this include:
- Methods of Transmission of the Mythology
- Oral Transmission
- Transmission through physical artifacts
- Documented Mythology
- Modern Myths (not necessarily but inclusive of Filipino Urban Myths)
- Aswang in the City
- Shapeshifting snake in mall ventilation ducts
- Methods of Transmission of the Mythology
I think it's not quite fair to say "Philippine mythology, and folklore are being studied as part of the curriculum of Philippine Psychology", as that implies that Philippine mythology is not being discussed outside of this context. Philippine mythology stands on its own as a field of study. Perhaps a different subheading should discuss how Philippine mythology is studied as a part of Philippine psychology? For now, I've deleted the references to Philippine Psychology, but below, in itals for everybody's consideration, is the text that was removed.Alternativity 10:12, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
(Philippine mythology, and folklore )...are being studied as part of the curriculum of Philippine Psychology... Many attribute psychological problems to these superstitions and considered significant for psychologists in understanding the Filipino psyche.
Also, while mythology does indeed "include a collection of tales and superstitions about magical creatures and entities," these magical creatures and entities are not the defining characteristic of mythology, which is why I suggest a broader definition... but one I hope to work on at a later date. :-) Alternativity 18:12, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Mumu and Mubaiya
My filipino friend says she believes in the mumu and the mubaiya. What are those monsters ???
- a 'mumu' or 'momo' is generally used as a generic term to describe a 'ghost' or 'monster'. children use it to describe any scary being. i am not familiar with a 'mubaiya', however. it may be a creature confined to a narrow ethnic pantheon; the philippines is quite ethnically diverse. where is your friend from exactly in the philippines? - Kguirnela 13:06, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
i am not sure where my friend is from. She says that mubaiya is a creature that is human by day, but at night sheds its skin and can have wings that fly. It flies around looking for humans to eat at night.
Work to do
There is a lot of good material in this article, but the introduction is rather POV.
Er... I'm not sure what POV means. But I do agree there's a lot to be done here. Alternativity 10:12, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
What is it? Is it a spirit that causes temporary madness? Is it supposed to originate from the soil?--Jondel 12:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
This should really be added.--Jondel 08:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Unbaptised children, Angels that are neither good nor bad
I read legends about this as a child. Does anybody know about this? I read that in Philippine mythical creatures were angels that broke of when there was an angelic war. Some were good , others became demons, while the mythical creatures were angels that were neither in Philippine mythology. Any info?--Jondel 12:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Philippine mythology of course, is a catch-all phraze that covers the mythology of many ethnicities. As Scott points out, it is rather unfair to disucuss these mythologies under one banner as if they were one and the same when that banner did not exist when those mythologies were originated.
Perhaps we should separate this article into regional subheadings and then "incubate" discussions of the individual ethnic mythologies and then evolve them into separate articles when they develop sufficient substance to merit an article?
The discussion of "Igorot beliefs" suggested below could be discussed as a secondary subheading under this "regional mythologies" subheading. Alternativity 10:21, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Would it be apt to add here some of the Igorot people's pre-Christian beliefs(I say opre-Christian because according to the igorotglobal.com, approximately 90% of the present-day Igorots have embraced Christianity)? Like that of Kabunian, Lumawig(son of Kabunian who is more or less like a half mortal, half god), and other dieties? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 09:39, 22 December 2006 (UTC).
In Popular Culture
Should we have a section for how Philippine mythology is covered by Popular culture? That would include references to media like Mulawin, Etheria, Whilce Portacio's Stone, and Arnold Arre's The Mythology Class. Alternativity 10:21, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
=== 90 % have embraced christianity? that's to much, just go to the sloter house in baguio and ask the volume of black pigs being purchased for ritual purposes. Try visiting mambunung (native priests) and most likely you'll have to wait your turn along with some rich and influential "modern" igorots. Why do u think dogs are still being served with gusto if indeed 90% of igorots converted to christianity? and that's not even including those tribes adjacent to cagayan valley who insist their not to be called "igorots" but by their own specific tribe. your source is thus grossly in accurate.
Archetype Meanings In the individual pantheon entries
Can we add psychological archetype meanings to the individual entries for creatures of lower mythology (tikbalang, aswang, etc)? Such as the Tikbalang being a reflection of the transition to horse-riding culture? I'm not sure where to find sources for this, but I know this is all fairly common knowledge under Phillippine psychology?
Here are acouple of statements using weasel words WP:WEASEL because they use the words maybe or probably.
Idianalé (Idianalo, Ideale) is the ancient Tagalogs goddess of works and good actions. Other legends say that she is also a goddess of death, and it is possible that she and Hukloban are one goddess.
Bathala: He is possibly worshiped by the Visayans.
- Getonyourfeet 19:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Direct Quote needs citation
"Bathala, the source of all creations, in Your hands lie Maniliw the witch, and from your chest comes out the creator Lulid Amo that can make darkness darker than the night"
If it is a translation, it still needs to be attributed or it is original research. WP:OR
- Getonyourfeet 19:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Malyari is he a god or demigod?
A god is full blood god. A demigod is part god and part mortal. Wasn't Hercules a demigod? Fix! LAWL!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Getonyourfeet (talk • contribs) 19:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC).
- Getonyourfeet 19:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Someone familiar with the subject matter please correct this statement take from the other gods section:
Kabunian, or Lumawig, is the Ifugao tribe supreme deity, where his palace is at the peak of Mount Pulag in the Northern Cordilleras. <-- This cannot be true because Mt. Pulag does not lie in the area of the Ifugaos.
+++ CORRECTION to "Inaccuracy"- Mt. Pulag range is mostly within Benguet Province but is large enough to be within the Province of Ifugao. Its peak is within the Municipality of Kabayan, Benguet. However we in Bokod and Kabayan also believe Kabunian (we don't use Lumawig) also resides in Pulag, like our own version of Mt. Olympus. Ifugaos near Pulag share some similar beliefs with us. Furthermore, it is always shared by our elders that our ancestors originated in what is now part of Ifugao. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Talakaru (talk • contribs) 12:20, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Notes on organization of Philippine mythology articles
- Suggestion: Please see Talk:Philippine mythology/to do box above. - Dragonbite 18:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I find the title inappropriate. It should be changed to Phil. Traditional Religions. Myhtology refers only to stories, not to the complete thing (beliefs, practises etc.). Also the use of the term superstition throughout th article is not scientific: in a scientific presentation all beliefs and practises are treated without any evalutative connotation.Aldrasto11 (talk) 07:29, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Kekek - The visayan myth
The Kekek is a Woman witch with wings which all she has to do is look for pregnant woman and to abort the baby and or to kill the infant, that is why mostly of the pregnant woman has to put a black clothes or wrap around their body especially during the night to avoid to be seen by the Kekek. Aside from black clothes they will also put a thorns around their hous to prevent the Kekek of coming at the walls of the House.
This practice are mostly in the remote Areas in Visayan regions.
The visayan myths
The Kekek is a Woman witch with wings which all she has to do is look for pregnant woman and to abort the baby and or to kill the infant by zipping the blood using her stretched tongue, that is why mostly of the pregnant woman has to put a black clothes or wrap around their body especially during the night to avoid to be seen by the Kekek. Aside from black clothes they will also put a thorns around their house to prevent the Kekek of coming at the walls of the House.
This practice are mostly in the remote Areas in Visayan regions.
Agta or Kapre - a Giant Humanoid being, Black and Hairy which has a supernatural power that live in the forest or the large trees, they have the ability to visible and to be invisible and to trick and confused Humans who will pass in their Territory.
Dwende - An average of a foot tall human like supernatural creatures, mostly friendly and some are not. They live in Puntod ( a small hard pile of soil like and Igloo shape, clean at the top with no plant grows)They will help to their chosen human friend, some of them became rich. Some of the Dwendes will disturb people living in the house, making noise inside the house during the night and people living there cannot sleep because of the noise, during the morning they saw their things scattered, some says they found inserted T-short on the Column of the house.
Higante - A huge or giant human or humanoid being.
Tikbalang - A Half Horse-Half Human, horse body with the four legs and half Human they brings bow and arrow, will will trick and scares human.
Encanto or Fairy - A very beautiful lady,with flawless white skin, blond hair,dressed like a princess but they don't have Philtrum, this is the sign if you will encounter a fairy. They will take you to the beautiful city, which you can not see in this world and invite you to stay there and they share their foods which taste differently all they wants is just you do not have to ask for a Salt when you like to eat. If you will keep on refusing this ended you woke up at the Forest ground and some on the top of the Trees.
That is why some says when you are in their world, those vast forest will be converted into Cities where they stays.
Once upon a time somewhere in the Visayan areas, they constructed a river bridge for the local to pass through, but the bridge was always collapse because of the rain and flood, so they decided to construct it higher, same thing happened again, they construct the bridge higher and higher but they wondered why the bridge still destroyed and later the locals found out that the Ship of the Encantos or the Fairies loaded with different products specially Cacao passes through it from the mountain to the sea, They saw the ship with white men with no Philtrum the Encantos, so later they constructed the brigde just a little higher of the water level at normal weather condition and the bridge did not damage again. Later they knew that when there be will flood its the time for the ship to sail on the river.
Wakwak - An old woman witch with fangs, capable of traveling so fast by floating with something, associated with a nocturnal bird for her spy and to search for their victim to zip a blood. The bird will trick the victim with a sound whakwhak, when it is loud the witch still far away but it sound a little like far, meaning the witch is near you. The victim has bite on the nick with mark of fangs and scratched wounds.
Kataw or Serina - A beautiful half woman and a half fish, some save human from drowning, when she chooses You as a friend she gives you pearls and treasures to make you a rich, but if they are abused They will bring catastrophes like flood and storm resulted to drowning of anybody.
Okoy - An ugly male humanoids with fins believed living in deep of the oceans, associated with bad character, usually they are the responsible for somebody drowned into the deep that passes on their Territory.
Manti-anak – A reincarnated soul of a baby died together with the mother in her womb with a devil character, manti-anak is a supernatural entity that will scares and murder people in the house during the night and resulted to somebody death especially to the babies.
Tambaloslos – A humanoid creature, He lives in the area where full of Bamboo trees near the river bank, he will scares human by quickly appearing in front, and laughing so loud, by opening his lips wide to the extent that it will cover his face up to his head, slowly hides behind the bamboos with the disappearing sound always saying tambaloslos.
- There is an expression of our elders especially from the people of Bohol “Tambaloslos kang daku” which means you are a big Tambaloslos, this word point to that Mythical creature.
- Tale of the Ermitanyo
One day somebody roaming at the Forest, he saw a very old man kneeling at the ground,has a long hair and even his beard touches at the ground. vine plants has already climbing up on his body,in his very old age he so tired and asking God to end his life. Our ancestors says people before has a long life.
- Tale of the Giant Snake (Higanting Bitin)
One day a man roaming at the forest, when he was tired he rested on the top of the log which full of grasses and mosses, suddenly noticed that the Log is moving, he wants to find out so he walked on the top of log going to the tip, upon reaching, he was shocked he saw a huge head of the snake and he found out that the log he tought, is a giant snake which can not crawl anymore because of its size.
Santilmo - a ball of fire that can hover, believe a ghost from the person that died and pours blood in the area where it can be seen.
- One morning my father told us that last night he saw a Santilmo, when were sleeping he noticed a light glowing from the outside of our house, then he gets up and look at it through a small gap of the wooden wall and he saw a floating small ball of fire hovering at our backyard.
Mambabarang - An old female which is practicing whichcraft, capable of cursing anybody by pinning into a doll with the hair or clothes of somebody she wants to curse.
- Tale of the floating Coffin
One night two men walking going to their house on a trail in the middle of the forest, while walking, suddenly the wind blows, plant and trees shaken, bamboos bended blocking on the trail, when they passed beyond those bended bamboos that covering their sight, they got scared when they saw the coffin on the trail, they were escaping on it and continue walking, but they noticed at their back that there was something luminous, when they were looking at it, they saw the coffin is floating and following them, they were so scared and they run as much they can.
- This coffin story believe that is related to the work of the Encantos or abduction done by fairies, when they will abduct a human they will return it as if a dead in a coffin with the tricked and transformed body from the banana trunk, that is why there were a practice when they can found a coffin with the dead missing member or found a returned dead of a missing member , they will not burry it right away they will observe it first within 3 to 4 days if that dead body inside the coffin will transform into a banana trunk , if it will transform back into a banana trunk then the immediate family will demand to return the missing someone from the Encantos by making a noise to the suspected tree where the Encantos live mostly Balite Trees.
- I really witness this practice before, when two young ladies my relatives told by their parents to get a Tankong (a vegetable greeny vine plant in wet areas usually used to feed the domesticated animals) in the Basakan ( ricefield). It happend that they did not return 'til the next morning, so it was suspected that they were abducted by the Encantos, that day they gather and bring empty containers encircling the big trees near the rice field and making noise and demanding for the return of these two young ladies. They were happy that the ladies were returned but they found out that these girls went to other place instead of returning home.
- So the very point of this event was the people specially from bohol ( cause this time mostly participated were people and my relatives from bohol) are still has a strong belief to these supernatural creatures.
Manananggal – A woman alike, has the ability to detach her upper body and fly without the lower part with hanging intestine, when she flies her intestine revolving causes a humming sound. She always thirsty for human blood. She finds hard to re-attach her body if somebody found the other half and put ashes on it.
Ungo - A Human alike predator with a scary face that is always hungry for human flesh and associated with devil spirit.
Balbal - A Human alike predator with fangs that is always thirsty for human blood and associated with devil spirit.
Impakto - Is a devil, or anybody possessed by the devil spirit who brings bad omen.
Yawa - is the highest of all form of evil.
Bathala - the creator (old language)
- Ginoo or Dios
Ginoo or Dios - God the most high, The ultimate creator.
From our ancestors handed down oral stories.
- Hello, Mr. Mangaron! This looks very interesting. Would you know if there's any print or online sources we can use for citations? Because that's the only way we'll be able to add this information to the page, following the policies under Wikipedia:Citing_sources. - Alternativity (talk) 14:23, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
I don't really know if you can search on internet or printed documents regarding this stories. I will just explain on how I get these informations.
I am a Visaya, my father came from Bohol Island and my mother came from Cebu Island, their families migrated to Davao region in the Island of Mindanao, then to Maragusan Valley now part of comval province, the first time my father went that place by walking on the trail of the mountains for more than a day just to reach there, that is a very isolated place that time, we don't have even electricity until the mid of my high school life . I was born in 1969 and I grow up there, during my childhood, as part of anybody past time with the family inside the house, meeting with neighbors and relatives, these are the usual stories I've heard even talking with playmates. So the sources are my Father, Aunties, Uncles, relatives, Neighbors, elders, and even playmates, that is why I called it the handed down oral stories. Others are the usual belief and practice of the Visayans.
Since I found this Topic on this site, this time, I just wanted to share these stories before it will gone from the mind of anybody.
I believe younger generations, not much reached of these stories because they are awake and enjoy with this present hightech society.
Thanks for the chance of sharing.
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