Talk:Phoenix, Arizona

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This is, by far, one of the worst written entries on Wikipedia. I was going to start corrected some of the issues, but I really don't have the time. Hopefully, whoever reads this has some time to sit down and fix the page.

Note: This is not my comment. This statement was removed from the top of the templates to this space on the talk page, and the <big> tag was removed. --DThomsen8 (talk) 13:43, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Is this really true? I have not carefully reviewed the article, but lived there 25+ years, and don't want to hear this. Do I need to spend clean up time here??? --I B d Shank (Talk Talk) 14:36, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

The Tradition

The PGA Champions Tour golf tournament is no longer held in the Phoenix area.

Most populous state capital?

Undoubtedly true, but fairly trivial. I deleted [], another editor reverted []. If other editors feel strongly that it is an important fact about Phoenix that readers are likely going to be looking for, then I could understand leaving it in the article... but in the body, in the population or demographics section, not the lead. WP:Lead Section says "...The lead serves both as an introduction to the article and as a summary of its most important aspects...The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview of the article. It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the subject is interesting or notable... The emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic..." I don't know that there could be a compelling reason to keep Phoenix being the largest state capital in the lead, but not in the body of the article. That really should be reversed. Jd2718 (talk) 04:21, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I believe I reverted it.  I assumed a vandal was just nipping away at the article, since it was not moved somewhere.  Your logic sounds reasonable.  One could also argue that some notable/extraordinary trivia belongs in the lead.  I'm really neutral on it being there or not.  Maybe some articles are large enough to deserve a trivia info box(if the is such a thing?  If you just nip something out, maybe leave a little hint as to your reasoning, and hopefully someone will see it and not revert. --I B d Shank (Talk Talk) 14:33, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Name of article

Shouldn't the name of this article be simply "Phoenix" rather than "Phoenix, Arizona"? Most large cities do not include the state in the title of the article. Phoenix is the sixth largest city in the US.75.213.177.19 (talk) 21:55, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

There was a long discussion about this a year or two ago, (all US cities used to be City, State) and a compromise was that larger ones that appear on a list by the AP Stylebook as not needing the state wouldn't have the state in the article's title, and the rest would. The list was fairly short, but it served as a good limit on how many of these discussions would take place. My guess is Phoenix wasn't on the list. AlexiusHoratius 22:16, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Phoenix is on the list, but Phoenix is also a mythological bird. In the context of news articles, it's usually obvious that you're talking about the city, but Wikipedia article titles have no room for larger context. The second requirement for titling without a state is that a city has a generally unique name. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 13:30, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes this is true. However, there could also be a disambiguation page with all the other uses of Phoenix linked from this one. Clearly, in 2012, the main usage of the word is for the city, not the mythological bird.98.229.49.151 (talk) 23:53, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Wildbot Broken Links

I fixed links to Cactus and Grapefruit Leagues in spring training and fixed back links to point to Arizona and Florida.  Can not find any problem with All American Cities link.  In fact there is no mention any longer to All American City in the article.  Removed broken link Wildbot template. :- ) DCS 01:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

McCain's falsehood and our unquestioning report of it

This article quotes John McCain stating that Phoenix is the number 2 kidnapping capital in the world. It's fine to quote him, but the statement is false. Until just now, the quote was sourced with an article title "McCain falsely claims Phoenix is kidnapping capital" without stating the quote is false, meaning that Wikipedia contained and was spreading falsehoods.

I consider it embarrassing that Wikipedia quoted a false statement for so long without saying it is false. We need to be better than the usually unquestioning US media. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 13:28, 9 January 2012 (UTC)