Talk:Phyllis Schlafly

Cleaning up "STOP ERA" section.

The first sentence of paragraph four was not comprehensible, and it cited to an opinion piece on a (libertarian?) website entitled "OpEdNews". If there is some value to including arguments critical of Ms. Schlafly's activism, citations should be made to scholarly or news media sources. In addition, voices critical to Ms. Schlafly may be relevant if they are noteworthy people, like Gloria Steinem, however, the blog writer does not appear to be a noteworthy person. I deleted the sentence and attempted to rewrite the paragraph so it made sense.

Including Gloria Steinem's "Aunt Tom" comment would be a great addition, if one could find the citation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wsgy01 (talk • contribs) 02:38, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

NYT Article and Schlafly's code words

Elstong - First, welcome to Wikipedia. There are two issues that need to be addressed; first, here is the direct citation from the NYT article:

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Critchlow points out that Schlafly "never identified Jews as part of any conspiracy," but then she didn't have to: phrases that invoke godless, countryless "well-financed" minorities are a well-recognized code among those who fear world domination by Wall Street and the Trilateral Commission. But Critchlow, a professor of history at St. Louis University, lets all this wink-winking go on without comment.

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This is the exact quote from the article from Judith Warner, a Jewish NY Times reporter. She does state that Schlafly uses code words for a specific group of people, and in my opinion, reflects such in the wiki page.

Second, you were removing a source, namely the NYT article due to your editing. If you have an issue with the source, then that should be discussed also and the reasons why rather than removing it - maybe that was an accident. Again, welcome to Wikipedia. Dinkytown (talk) 07:24, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I put the footnote back in. Read the quote carefully. It does not say who uses the code phrases. It does say something about who recognizes the code, but it does not even say that Schlafly or Critchlow recognize the code. Please do not attribute something to Warner or the NY Times unless they actually said it. Elstong (talk) 19:55, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Liberty Lobby?

Is it true that she has, or had, ties to Liberty Lobby? I distinctly remember reading that somewhere, but it's not mentioned anywhere in this article, nor in the articles for Eagle Forum or Liberty Lobby. Stonemason89 (talk) 01:35, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't see any sources indicating she had or has ties to Liberty Lobby. One source Roads to dominion: right-wing movements and political power in the United States By Sara Diamond states:

No doubt, the Liberty Lobby's constituent base overlapped with that of the conservative movement. The featured speaker for the lobby's well attended 1965 National Defense Seminar was Phyllis Schafly...

This differentiates between "the conservative movement" (of which she was obviously a part) and Liberty Lobby's (implying she was not a part). I'll further note that there are places that speak of her (the Eagle Forum) in the same article, or even the same paragraph, as the Liberty Lobby, but only to discuss something that the author of that piece felt they had in common - not to state any tie between them. --4wajzkd02 (talk) 00:27, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

/* Women's issues */Neutrality

I placed the POV flag above this section (please replace with a more appropriate flag for a section, as this one mentions "article", and most of the article is fine). I feel that the tone is set out to prove that Mrs. Schlafly is outdated in her thinking, especially with the bit about the clothes dryer and paper diapers. While I realize it represents her views, I think it's easy for a section to pick out only certain views which can attempt to prove the subject in question outdated. Please add a better balance of her views towards women. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Varkstuff (talk • contribs) 21:34, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

If this is an accurate representation of her views, then there is no POV problem. If you can cite other comments to more completely describe her thinking on women, that would be welcome. But just because a statement may be controversial does not mean, if accurate, that it violates NPOV. Uberhill 18:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uberhill (talk • contribs)

SCHLAFLY and BIRCH SOCIETY

It is worth noting that although this article claims that Schlafly joined the Birch Society but then quit --- nevertheless, Phyllis has always denied that she ever joined the JBS. In reality, both she and her husband joined the JBS circa August 1959 after attending a recruitment meeting in Chicago. For proof of her membership, see letter she wrote to Verne P. Kaub which is posted on-line here (item #2): http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/documents Ernie1241 (talk) 01:10, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

WP:BLP reminder

On this edit: we really should be careful to avoid implying that the subject of this article is a hypocrite when discussing the sexuality of her son. The old source makes the point, but the treatment at Phyllis Schlafly#Family is both better sourced and more relevant to that section. The new section may be over-reliant on primary sources, but I think that this is a case where the relevance is clearly established by outside sources, while the primary sources are used to ensure that the article does not materially misrepresent Schlafly's positions. - 2/0 (cont.) 08:17, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
The original edit does not imply that she is a hypocrite. It is quite relevant to point out what her views are and that her son was her right-hand man despite those views. It may be unexpected and interesting but does not imply she is inconsistent. She is definitely consistent.

 
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Merge proposal

Have just found the article Phyllis Schlafly's social policies, I propose that article be merged into this one. I don't want to take it to AFD, as it's reasonably well-developed, but there's simply no need for a separate article on the subject. Phyllis Schlafly isn't a politician, or other major world figure; why should we have a separate article on her political views, when we do for almost no one else? (Indeed, not just her political views in general, but her social policies, which is presumably a subset of them.) I doubt it would meet the notability criteria. As this article is not incredibly long, I see no reason why Phyllis Schlafly's social policies shouldn't be summarised and merged into this one as a subsection of Phyllis Schlafly#Viewpoints. Robofish (talk) 21:03, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Schlafly was a major politician in the 1970s-1980s. Rjensen (talk) 21:08, 20 January 2012 (UTC)