Talk:Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

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Criticisms section[edit]

I removed the quote from the Carnets because it essentially duplicates the material in the paragraph that remains. It's important to note Proudhon's antisemitic remarks, but including virtually all of the two offending footnotes, when so little else from Proudhon's writings is represented seems a bit out of balance. Libertatia (talk) 06:05, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Agree with the above and would also suggest that "art historian Linda Nochlin points out" could favorably be replaced with "...Nochlin claims" insofar as she then offers an extreme characterisation of Proudhon's "anti-feminism" without there being any way for the reader to confirm it. Separately, there is a lot of critical animus in this article with relatively little in the subject's defense. ConradArchguy (talk) 07:39, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Article quality needs improving[edit]

This subject is so important. There's a lot about the federalism of the United States that can be linked directly to the influence of Proudhon and others. All that government by the people for the people and state vs national law shows the influence of political thinkers who proposed a devolved federation. I think the progressive nature of early American politics is a result of the pioneers willingness to try some of the basic tenets of European libertarian philosophy. I know Thomas Paine was a big influence. No country was better suited to attempt these new ideas of devolved federalism. I think this article could do with a rewrite. Proudhon is devalued slightly. If Russia has Marx then who are the people who influenced America? Proudhon is as good a candidate as any.

Very easy to frame Proudhon and other European libertarian political theorists as utopian idealists whose ideas were not practical. I think that is wrong - if anything American federalism is in part the product of devolved power as investigated by Proudhon and others. It also explains why some of the national socialists found the idea of federalism so appealing. The idea of federalism and the chance to share power is bound to appeal to many political groups - especially those who feel disenfranchised politically. Boston Tea Party comes to mind.

Sluffs (talk) 01:30, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Looking the issue from outside the US i will think what fueled a lot of the "american experience" was genocide of the indian populations, slavery from africa and protestant christian fundamentalism. All thing very non-proudhon. As such in the US Proudhon has the influence he had. Mainly within radical progressive sectors and labour leaders such as US individualist anarchists like Benjamin Tucker or Dyer Lum and Joseph Labadie. But also i was thinking that this article needs more information on the important influence that Proudhon had in French socialism including the Paris Commune and how clearly is surpassed the influence of Marx in France atleast until the beginning of the XX century.--Eduen (talk) 02:30, 30 October 2013 (UTC)