|Before attempting to move this page, please see Wikipedia: Naming conventions (Chinese): Language/dialect NPOV.|
|WikiProject Languages||(Rated Start-class)|
|WikiProject China||(Rated Start-class, Mid-importance)|
The main purpose of an article should be to inform, and where there is dispute to be balanced.
The article clear states that some consider that Pinghua should be considered a separate dialect from Cantonese, whereas others do not. The way for the article to be developed is to add more facts - not by restating either of the above opinions in different ways.
The phrase "some mainland Chinese linguists tried to separate it from Cantonese" has been changed to "some mainland Chinese linguists separate it from Cantonese" because the latter expression states in an unbiased way the current position, namely that there exist different opinions about the status of Pinghua. In official mainland Chinese textbooks Pinghua is cited as being a separate dialect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnkn63 (talk • contribs) 17:27, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
- Uh, the name of this lect in English is just Pinghua. There's a dab link at the top of the page. kwami (talk) 20:56, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
- Another possibility is Pinghua Cantonese, if we can agree that it's Cantonese. kwami (talk) 21:02, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
- I know you are an administrator of wikipedia. You locked this article from moving to any other proper name since your last edition. I find the original title is "Pinghua". You changed the title to "Pinghua Chinese". You also tried to change Cantonese, Hakka to "Yue Chinese" and "Hakka Chinese" (opposed by most Cantonese speakers). You tried to rename all Chinese language associated article, with your preferred names (xx Chinese). I doubt this behavior is a kind of admin power abuse. The Chinese name of this dialect is "广西平话". The term "Pinghua" or "Pinghua Chinese" can also be the name of a dialect of Min Dong. Both of them are of ambiguity. The Proper name (also clear name) should be "Guangxi Pinghua" rather than "Pinghua Chinese" or "Pinghua Cantonese". --Anativecantonesespeaker (talk) 04:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
- First of all, I did not "lock this article from moving". If I had, you would not have been able to move it. The article is still completely unprotected. Secondly, the naming of Chinese lects was a consensus after a long discussion, hardly admin abuse. Thirdly, we generally go by English names on English Wikipedia, and the English name of this lect is "Pinghua". Our sources all use simply "Pingua"; all my refs do the same. Because there is a (very) slight chance that someone might be looking for the Mindong dialect without knowing about this Pinghua (a dialect so obscure that we don't even include it in our list of Chinese dialects), there is a dab line at the top of the page, as there should be.
- I notice that one of your other choices, on a couple articles, was to rename this lect "Ping". Whereas "Guangxi Pinghua" is comprehensible, if not normal, English, "Ping" is completely unrecognizable. I have therefore reverted these edits.
- I googled "Guangxi Pinghua" and had exactly one hit: your addition to the Chinese language article! "Pinghua", on the other hand, gets 25 thousand hits. In Google Books, "Guangxi Pinghua" has zero hits. That is, you just made up this phrase. Insisting it is correct is therefore based on nothing but your opinion. If you can demonstrate to everyone's satisfaction that Pinghua is a dialect of Yue, then we can probably rename it accordingly without much dissention, which would obviate the issue. Maybe you can even convince everyone to adopt "Guangxi Pinhua"; there's nothing inherently wrong with ad hoc names. But there should be some discussion. kwami (talk) 09:50, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Support for the "traditional" view
It would be good to state clearly, but briefly" who supports which view, however, presently the article contains, "According to Wu Wei in 2001, "Pinghua is only a branch of Cantonese (Yue) rather than an independent dialect group."" It has no citation, and who "Wu Wei' and whom he represents is is not clear. Johnkn63 (talk) 21:21, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Adding and Improving Content
I have just started a Phonology section, and will be adding specific information about Pinghua Chinese, or is that Ping Chinese, over the coming weeks and months. I would greatly appreciate if those with more knowledge about wikipedia and linguistics could tidy up my somewhat rough and ready contributions. Johnkn63 (talk) 02:23, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Moved from the article
the following sections have been moved from the main article because there presence in there current form does not seem to develope the main topic of the article, if people wish to restore them it is politlely suggested they be discussed here first or on my talk page.:-
removed as off focus
"while Standard Cantonese has only three (the Cantoneese Ngaulau lect also has four entering tones)" this gives a comparison to Cantonese that seems pretty irrelevant at the end of the day.
removed as lacking context
" and Wu Wei (2001) maintains that "Pinghua is only a branch of Cantonese (Yue) rather than an independent dialect group." " this lacks context, to make a meaningful contribution to the article the reader needs to be informed who Wu Wei is and in what contect he made this statement. A google search for "Wu Wei" Pinghua 2001, shows no other mathches apart from versions of this article. Johnkn63 (talk) 09:18, 7 June 2009 (UTC)