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Btw, the *Translation notes* is very important; make sure you keep it!

Half-litre pint / double-pint litre[edit]

I was told by my chemistry professor that since the UK joined the EU, they were no longer allowed to sell beer in pints; it had to be called a half liter. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.61.46.16 (talkcontribs) . the pint is a u.s customary measure

He is wrong, in fact in pubs beer must be sold in pints (or half-pints, or third-pints). This is an exception to the rule that everything is sold in metric measurements (and in any case, you can still sell "568ml" of beer in a bottle). Perhaps, at some point, 'pint of beer' will be defined to be 600ml (or some other volume), as has been done in many other countries. ƕ (talk) 11:44, 28 July 2008 (UTC pints)

I fully concur - actually - for legal reasons a pint glass must not include a "569ML" label even as a supplementary figure in pints from a pub. This was due to 'derogation - meaning that the EU would allow us to keep things as they are - so that's where it has kept it;s historical position. There are 20floz in a UK pit . The equivalent is 568ml.......etc etc etc but the units on the glass must be the real PINT . Hopr this hrlpd

Flanders annotation[edit]

A "pint" in Flanders isn't necessarily a 25 cl glass. A "pint" would translate in English to a "lager". It's just that the most common size for lagers in Flanders is 25 cl... 80.201.183.198 12:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

pint =12 oz?[edit]

Can anyone add any information about why so many bars and restaurants in the United States serve beer in 12 oz "pints," with glasses that look almost exactly like a real 16 Oz US pint? Mrendo 16:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

If the menu lists "pints" and you are served 12oz, you are being defrauded, and you should report the bar or restaurant to the appropriate regulatory body (Alcoholic Beverage Commission, Restaurant Licensing Board, or whatever). If, on the other hand, you're simply observing that 12oz is the normal serving size in many places (it is also the most common beer bottle size in the US), there's not much to say, is there? --Macrakis 22:50, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit]

I changed ⅛ to 1/8 simply because the 8 is indiscernable from 6, or 9, or 3 at that size. 211.30.75.123 03:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd changed it back but you've got a point. Let's use "18".Jɪmp 03:21, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

A pint of water[edit]

...weighs a pound and a quarter — an imperial pint does, anyway. 568g of water = 1.25lb. I've changed the page to show this, as it said 1.125lb before.ƕ (talk) 11:44, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Recipe confusion[edit]

Under "Effects of metrication". Which is it? "Many recipes published in the UK still provide ingredient quantities in imperial," or "Most new recipes are now published in metric only"? The first statement would appear, at second glance, to apply to existing recipes, i.e. published recipes; but then the word "still" interrupts that train of thought. Which is it then? Are many recipes still being published with imperial measures, or are most new recipes being published with metric measures? I know that many ≠ most, but the point being made is not clear, and I'm loth to change the wording for fear of changing the meaning.--Rfsmit (talk) 21:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

=Recipe answer[edit]

Almost all cook books quote in imperial and metric.

Pint of liquor[edit]

Here in the US, if you go to the liquor store and ask for a pint, you get 375 ml. If you ask for a half pint, you get 200 ml. At one time you could ask for a quart and get 1000 ml, but these days people mostly ask for a liter instead. If you just ask for "a bottle" you get 750 ml, which is also called a "fifth." An "airline bottle" is 50 ml.

These terms are holdovers from the pre-metric days. The "half pint" usually comes in a flattened, curved bottle designed to fit smoothly in a hip pocket. It's the same shape as the pre-metric half pint, which really was a half of a US pint.

27 CFR Part 5, which regulates liquor bottle sizes, is all metric, and does not mention the above common names. I have been unable to find a good reference that describes these terms. Rees11 (talk) 22:22, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

That's very interesting. 27 CFR Part 5 does not define any units other than the gallon and liter for anything bottled since January 1, 1980. So, if you go to a U.S. liquor store and ask for a "pint", you get an undefined amount of liquor that is whatever is in the bottle they hand you. The U.S. pint is 473 mL, but the nearest size of bottle is 375 mL, so that's what you get. However, if you ask for a "liter", that's a defined term, so they have to give you 1000 mL. Very interesting. However, in the U.K. a pint is a defined term, so if you go into a British pub and ask for a "pint" of beer, they are forced to give you 568 mL, which is the size of the British Imperial pint. Not only that, the alcohol content of British beer is higher, so be prepared to get absolutely smashed if you go pub crawling in Britain. RockyMtnGuy (talk) 23:47, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually, in the US beer is still legally measured in pints and fluid ounces but liquor is metric. And at least in my experience if you go into a bar and ask for a "pint" you could get almost any amount, or even a blank stare, but it will come from a tap, not a bottle. In a brewpub you're likely to get an Imperial pint. Rees11 (talk) 01:09, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

-- When I order a drin in the USA I just remember to ask for a20oz cup. Nice and easy :-)

Metric pint?[edit]

The article describes a "metric pint" as 500ml. This is not universally true. In New Zealand pint milk bottles were 600ml. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.72.242.206 (talk) 16:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

History[edit]

The derivation of the imperial gallon from the ale gallon is defined fully in the gallon article. I suggest revising the History paragraph something like this:

In 1824 the British parliament replaced all its variant gallons with the imperial gallon based on the traditional ale gallon. In brief, this was defined as the volume of ten pounds of distilled water at 62 °F (equalling 277.42 cubic inches), from which the imperial pint is derived.

What do you think? GilesW (talk) 10:43, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

British pint versus American pint[edit]

Gentlemen - the British pint is 20 imperial fluid ounces, while the American pint is 16 American fluid ounces. However, the American fluid ounce is somewhat larger than the British fluid ounce, so you can't compare them directly. The easiest way is to convert them into metric. The British pint is 568.26125 cm3 while the American pint is 473.176473 cm3, so the British pint is approximately 1.200950 American pints, or about 20% larger.

Remember, no measure of fluid volume is the same between the British imperial and American conventional system, so you are always involved in an apples versus oranges type of conversion. That is why those of us in the rest of the Commonwealth converted all our liquid measures to metric - so we didn't have to deal with this kind of thing.RockyMtnGuy (talk) 01:48, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

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Pint Glass[edit]

Shouldn't this page link to Pint glass ? Robef (talk) 23:44, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

pint in germany? any source for that?[edit]

quote "There is also limited use of the term in parts of France, Quebec ("une pinte") and Central Europe, notably some areas in Germany and Switzerland." pint in Germany? live in Germany never ever have heard of anyone anywhere using a pint - any source for that??? 178.210.114.106 (talk) 22:22, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

and if you mean the cologne pintgen that is not the same as a pint (1 Pintchen = 0,33246 Liter)178.210.114.106 (talk) 22:26, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

What subtleties? What is incorrect?[edit]

Can someone explain the subtleties that have eluded me, and be specific about the errors I introduced per the the summary in this undoing please? As far as I know: 1 imperial pint does equal 20 imperial fluid ounce, 1 US pint does equal to 16 US fluid ounces and the imperial fluid ounce is about 5% smaller than the US fluid ounce. EzEdit (talk) 07:31, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Lets say you order ten thousand pints of water from me. They arrive, you put them in your vat, and determine that I only gave you 9,990 pints. I disagree, and point to the fact that the contents pint glass I used to (laboriously) measure out all of that liquid can indeed by divided into sixteen parts, each of which is a fluid ounce.
You might point out that the fact that I can divide a jar of liquid into sixteen equal measures does not establish that the former is a pint and the latter is a fluid ounce. Instead, you grab a graduated liter beaker and demonstrate that my pint is significantly less than the expected 568mL, and thus I've been shorting my customers.
In casual speech and non-technical references, it's ok to say that a pint is 16 US fluid ounces. That's good enough for home cooking. Beyond that, pints and fluid ounces are certain numbers of milliliters. That's why the lead is correct when it says "the US liquid pint is divided into 16 US fluid ounces", and why you were incorrect when you said "a liquid pint, equal to 16 US fluid ounces". Your version carries the implication that the pint is defined in terms of ounces when it instead is defined in terms of milliliters.
Like I said, it's a subtlety, but it's worth getting right. Garamond Lethet
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14:23, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
That's too deep for the casual reader. The common definition of a pint is one-eighth of a gallon or 16 US (20 imperial ) fluid ounces. The liter/litre size is only of interest to the real geek. I'll leave out the 5% difference between the 2 fluid ounces though, that's a little geeky too. I left the liter/litre definition in place too, and wrote is out in full as this is the main intro here. Is that a fair compromise? EzEdit (talk) 20:47, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
No. You are allowed to edit any article you please (barring some technical restrictions), but if you want your edits to stick then you need to be able to convince other editors that you've improved the article. Please establish consensus here first, then edit.Garamond Lethet
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21:13, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
So what's your objection to putting the commonly understood definition further up? Would you move the description of the number of cents in a dollar further down the United States dollar article - and replace it with how many yen or euros a dollar is worth today? EzEdit (talk) 21:32, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
This isn't a discussion I'm interested in having. If you can establish a consensus here, then your edits will stick. Garamond Lethet
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03:40, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
As you aren't interested in discussing your objection, and as no-one else has objected, I'll make the changes and see if that triggers any discussion. EzEdit (talk) 17:16, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

It seems to me that there is a reluctance amongst editors of this (and related customary unit) articles to place the customary definitions, in terms of related sub or super customary units, instead insisting that the top section is dominated by obscure and unfamiliar SI definitions and symbology. In places where US/UK customary is used it's just as important, if not more important, to know that a pint is 16 (or 20) fluid ounces than that it is 473 or 568 mL. EzEdit (talk) 18:04, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I'd say you've correctly identified the current consensus. I'd also say you've not advanced a compelling reason to change it. Garamond Lethet
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18:19, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
The only reason to change it that I see is that in common usage, and indeed further down in the article, the pint is primarily defined in terms of US/UK units, not metric units. I believe the intro should follow that pattern. But I concede that if you aren't convinced, then with no ally I am backing a loser here.
As a matter of interest, can you show me where the consensus to demote the definition in terms customary units in preference to that using metric units is recorded. I would be interested to see what the compelling argument for it was. EzEdit (talk) 21:57, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
Here. The compelling argument is that edit was made in Nov. 2011 and has stood the test of time. Garamond Lethet
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02:37, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Poor verifiability[edit]

The references in this article are terrible. 2, 3, 5 & 6 aren't references at all. Neither 8, 9 or 10 support what they are cited against. 12 and 13 lead to blank pages. 14 leads to the contents page of an online beer drinkers forum. Should we delete the content relying on those references? EzEdit (talk) 22:56, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

  • 2, 3, 5 and 6 are notes, not references. Not sure what you consider the problem to be here.
  • 12 leads to a page with a redirect to the content. You may want to look into upgrading your browser. I've updated the link.
  • 13 took a couple of minutes longer to track down the new url.
  • 14 Correct page in beer drinkers forum found with my first google search. Updated.
Still looking at 8–10.
Thank you for your contribution.
Garamond Lethet
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03:10, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
  • 8 I believe the intent was for the search function on the website to be used, as there are multiple documents available that support this citation. I think the site reference is more useful than any particular pdf; I've updated the citation.
  • 9 is the French-language version of that site.
Garamond Lethet
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03:31, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
  • 10 and 11 were introduced at the same time as 8 and 9; they appear to be superfluous. I've removed them and combined the other two cites into one.
Garamond Lethet
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03:44, 31 October 2013 (UTC)