Talk:Pinus ponderosa

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Help identifying pine species[edit]

Hi. I'm hoping one of you tree expert-types can help me identify the species in this picture http://www.cayoosh.net/pix/cleven/bridgecanyon99.jpg - not sure if it's a Ponderosa or Lodgepole or maybe something else. The area this is from has a lot of such snag-type pines - I was looking for another picture or two from other locations, and maybe one with a closeup of the needles; I know I don't have a closeup of the bark for sure. The location is on the inland side of the Coast Mountains in British Columbia, about 20 mi W of Lillooet, British Columbia, which is in Ponderosa Pine range as well as Lodgepole.Skookum1 21:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Definitely not Ponderosa

Not a good photo, but from the location, shape of the branches, and texture of the foliage I would guess Pseudotsuga menziesii subsp. glauca. -- BlueCanoe (talk) 20:30, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Article needs more ordinary information[edit]

The issues elaborated in the article are specialized and not of sufficient value to the layman looking up information on a common western pine tree. Can't there be more useful data about tree's habitat, structure, growing habits, and economics uses? These are the sorts of things which predominate in the interests of an encyclopedia user. I don't mind being talked to like a teenager, as long as the information is clear, accurate, readable and useful. NaySay 17:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Scent[edit]

The Jeffrey Pine page says that its own scent is vanilla while the Ponderosa Pine has a turpentine scent, whereas this page says Ponderosas have a vanilla scent. I was taught that the Jeffrey was more Pineapple/tropical, whereas the Ponderosa was more vanilla. Perhaps an expert can reconcile these pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bramblez (talkcontribs) 05:35, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


The Ponderosa Pine smells like the best parts of Starbucks. I am an interpretive guide in a predominantly Ponderosa forest and those babies smell like vanilla. I most certainly would have noticed Turpentine by this point with the appalling amount of trees that I have sniffed. Jjthebikeguy (talk) 07:29, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I've done some digging on the internet and found that some websites do mention the vanilla scent of the Jeffrey Pine and mark it as a distinguishing feature, whereas the same websites do not mention a vanilla or butterscotch or pineapple scent, for that sake, of Ponderosa Pines. So I've omitted the bit about the smell.

I have comments regarding this under Jeffrey Pine. Though I agree that smell can be percieved diiferently by different people, my experience with having people put their nose right up against the bark, consistently yields agreement that it has a vanilla smell. Try it. I too have never noticed the turpentine smell mentioned. Sometimes your own nose is a better source than everything on the internet. Arthropod (talk) 15:27, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


Ponderosa:

http://plants.usda.gov/plantguide/pdf/pg_pipo.pdf

http://www.cnr.berkeley.edu/departments/espm/extension/PONDEROS.HTM

http://www.cnr.vt.edu/DENDRO/DENDROLOGY/syllabus/factsheet.cfm?ID=108\

Jeffrey Pine:

http://plants.usda.gov/plantguide/pdf/pg_pije.pdf

http://www.cnr.berkeley.edu/departments/espm/extension/JEFFPINE.HTM

http://www.cnr.vt.edu/DENDRO/DENDROLOGY/syllabus/factsheet.cfm?ID=228

And this site mentions the vanilla smell of the Jeffrey Pine but doesn't mention the smell of Ponderosa Pines.

http://www.sonoma.edu/users/c/cannon/bio314chapter4.html

Moerasbabe (talk) 21:20, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

The wording by Hike395 seems good to me.[1] Relevant guidance may be found at WP:V and WP:OR. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 16:50, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Gila Wilderness[edit]

The mention of Gila Wilderness is accurate. The webpage cited says "The Gila Wilderness in southwestern New Mexico contains perhaps the largest and "healthiest" ponderosa pine forest in the world," whereas this Wikipedia article states it as an absolute.

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Threats[edit]

It would be nice to see a section on threats to Ponderosa Pine forests -- mountain pine beetle, logging, etc.

The current threats discussion is very lacking, and bluestain fungus does not come from the mouth of the beetle, although it is carried with the beetle.

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bark[edit]

There is mention in the article about the unusual bark characteristics of this tree. Perhaps a photo of the trunk of a ponderosa pine would be useful. 65.167.146.130 (talk) 19:45, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I see what you mean. Bark pictures may be found at Commons:Pinus_benthamiana and Commons:Pinus_ponderosa. Walter Siegmund (talk) 01:01, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
I'll add a better picture in the next few days, as soon as I have a chance to take one - there are some extremely good, large examples around that (wonders!) haven't been cut down yet. Kmmontandon (talk) 05:54, 30 December 2008 (UTC)kmmontandon

Moving article to "Ponderosa pine"[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of this discussion was Keep the article at Pinus Ponderosa

User:Clyde frogg copied the article to Ponderosa pine, did some editing, and turned this article into a redirect. I reverted his changes, for the following reasons:

  1. According to WP:FLORA, articles about plants should be titled with their scientific names, except "when a plant has an agricultural, horticultural, economic or cultural use that makes it more prominent in some other field than in botany; e.g. rose, apple, watermelon.". Further, WP:FLORA says "These exceptions are determined on a case-by-case basis through discussion towards consensus." I'll notify WikiProject Plants and we can start a discussion here.
  2. According to WP:CUTPASTE, renaming articles by copy-pasting their contents is highly undesirable, because Wikipedia needs to keep the history of the page for copyright and attribution reasons. If the consensus is to move the page, and we cannot move the page due to limitations in MediaWiki, we'll ask an admin to move the page for us.

I'll open the discussion for renaming the article, below. —hike395 (talk) 12:02, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Comments on article renaming[edit]

  • Oppose moving to "Ponderosa pine". There's no good reason to depart from the WP:PLANTS policy in this case. Peter coxhead (talk) 15:39, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose No real reason offered; gains nothing. Eau (talk) 19:56, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose. "Western yellow pine" is almost as prevalent a common name as "ponderosa pine" in many timber-producing areas.--Curtis Clark (talk) 01:23, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose Curtis Clark's reason is enough - too many common names for a plant that has a single, unambiguous name. First Light (talk) 04:38, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.