Talk:Plaza Sésamo

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Abelardo the Dragon?[edit]

I see that Abelardo the Dragon has be re-inserted. I've been watching Plaza Sésamo informally for a long time and the only Abelardo I've seen is the multicolor parrot. Any reference on Abelardo the Dragon? -- Kaszeta 17:25, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Here there is a link with pictures and video of How Abelardo the Dragon looked in the 1970's episodes of Plaza Sésamo. There is some debate, as some people see him as an orange crocodile instead of a Dragon (he had no wings and he could't spit fire). But most probably he was not a crocodile because he had no teeth or fangs, and had a dorsal spine with ends similar to jester hats. Jcnegron (talk) 01:31, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Characters[edit]

Why are there two sets of characters? Can someone clarify that? --MPD01605 06:11, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I took the liberty of going ahead and merging the Characters sections. I also improved and slightly expanded the introduction. Among other things I changed the opening from describing the show as a copy of Sesame Street to introducing it in a more neutral way. And I added a small blurb about the theme park. --Mcorazao 15:34, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Why change it? Plaza Sesamo was a franchise of the original Sesame Street in accordance with the style followed by that show of licensing the format to other countries to be produced in their language and cultural structures instead of being dubbed. Sesame Street is not a predecessor of Plaza Sesamo as neither is Paza S. a second iteration of the show nor did Sesame Street end befroe Plaza S. started. Also, it was not 'very similar' but the same show with the same core set of characters and the same muppets (as Henson calls them) although with localized characters as well.

It's worth of mention to say that this series is not only aired in Mexico/US, it's widely known through most of Latin America. Maybe it should be called "Mexican version for a Latin American audience." --201.228.208.191 (talk) 06:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Episode Numbers[edit]

Does anyone know of a good episode guide for the various shows, other than a PBS listing? - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.106.84 (talk) 02:17, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Aberlardo on the American version of Sesame Street[edit]

Believe it or not, Aberlardo Montoya made a guess appearance on Sesame Street on May 5th, 1997 during Cinco De Mayo. He appeared as Big Bird's Cousin. Oscar the Grouch gave him one of the english word, "SCRAM!" And Ruthis (The Owner of Finder's Keepers, Back when "Around the Corner" was used) said that she did not know that Scram was a spanish word. I remember it. User:BuddyBoy600 —Preceding undated comment added 02:46, 10 July 2009 (UTC).

Logo caption[edit]

Great job on this article! I find the logo caption a bit confusing. Would you mind clarifying? ----Another Believer (Talk) 23:35, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm tempted to suggest we don't need to know about the 1998-2000 logo, to be frank. It is relatively trivial. -- Zanimum (talk) 23:51, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Plaza Sésamo/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Zanimum (talk · contribs) 18:02, 12 October 2014 (UTC)


I'll review. -- Zanimum (talk) 18:02, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Main issue, gives the impression that there were only ever four seasons, that if you turned on Sprout and watched an episode, it would be from 1994, in SD, with a new logo. (Since each of the first three seasons were less than 150 episodes, it also gives the impression that season 4 had more than 500 episodes, to get the series over the 1K marker.) According to Muppet Wiki, they're on season 15. I don't expect seasons 5 through 15 to be covered in depth, but they should be mentioned. Worst case scenario, you've already cited press releases, and I know there were releases for the last few seasons. That said, there must be a news article here or there.

I was following the reliable sources I was able to find. I agree that for comprehensiveness sake, we need to use PRs, so I added information from SW. I won't use Muppet Wiki as a source, as much as I like and use it for personal use. I think that what I've added satisfies your requests, though.

Infobox

  • I see you've made a further edit to the logo caption. It's now harder to understand than the original format, it seems like a direct contradiction now.
  • For the number of episodes, would "over 1000" or "1000+" do? I've never seen question marks replacing digits on Wikipedia.
  • Sesame Workshop as production company, "(2000-2009 or present)"... I'm missing what this refers to. On first go, it reads as if there was a break in production, but the or is confusing.
  • PBS Kids Sprout: perhaps the answer would be in the Wayback Machine?
This is why I personally don't care for infoboxes. I removed all the information that isn't in the article.

Lead

  • WP:MOS frowns on starting a sentence with a numeral, like 130
Fixed.

Passing "Background".

Production

  • "The board was responsible for choosing": I'd suggest expanding this reference to the full title of advisory board; you mention them two paragraphs later, but until then there should be something to keep people sated.
Got it.
  • I'm not sure about starting a paragraph/sentence with the numeral of 130.
Same solution as above.
  • Sidenotes
    • Interesting that they had the pilot character to connect the video remotes, so far before Global Grover.
    • I love that the Sesame franchise can attract renowned architects to design their sets.
  • "the first time an original co-production was shown in the U.S.": was Shalom Sesame not considered a coproduction because it was produced in the US?
I'm not sure. When I get to working on the Shalom Sesame article, I'm sure I'll find out. The sources state that Plaza Sesamo was the first one aired here.
  • Does the series still air on select PBS affliates? Or is it just Sprout in the US?
Again, I dunno. I wasn't able to find any reliable sources. I've just decided: someone needs to write a book about the history of the co-productions, with interesting stories about all of them! ;)
  • Any info on production since season 4? Any indication how many seasons have been produced in the two decades since the reboot?
And again, I wasn't able to find any information. Google doesn't even bring up articles in Spanish, but if it did, I wouldn't be able to use them since I don't know Spanish. Unfortunately, there's very little information about these co-productions in both the U.S. and foreign press, so that limits what we can do here. As a result, comprehensiveness suffers. This is why very few of these articles will get past GA. I submitted this one to GAC because I think that it satisfies the GA criteria.

More later. Sorry this is taking so long, but this is now a priority. Zan, you need those GA Cup points! ;) Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:41, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Influence

  • "Highly significant difference were found" --> "Highly significant differences were found" or "A highly significant difference was found"
Oops, went with the former.
  • There's no other articles or webpages about the park? Particularly something referring to it as closed? While I agree wholeheartedly it is closed, it would help justify the past tense.
It still exists; I was trying to be consistent, although I can see how the tense use could be confusing. Changed tenses to present. I also added the park's website to the "External links" secction.
  • Whatever's being referred to by "technology" is likely covered in the interactive elements.
Good point. Removed "technology" from the list.

Passing "Notes", "References", "External links", categories.

Separate from this review, but related... there was vandalism to Template:Sesame Street, I've reverted to the last good version. That said, I don't know if it's worthwhile having a redlink for Ryan Dillon. He's done no media since being hired as Elmo, and I don't know if they've even officially made a hiring statement. It's fair to assume they even have something in his contract saying he's got to stay as far behind the scenes as possible. Redlinks are only really good for when there are RSs that are ripe for use.

The purpose of redlinks is to encourage the creation of new articles, and since Dillon really should have an WP article, even if it's just a stub, so I think it should remain. Most of the puppeteers have very little press about them in general. Clash was the exception, and that might have been part of the problem. I'm not in any position to speculate about Dillon's employment status. At any rate, I'll try and create an article for him soon.

The article easily passes Checklinks. -- Zanimum (talk) 18:00, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

@Zanimum:, thanks for the review! Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 19:51, 17 October 2014 (UTC)