Talk:Pluto (Disney)

Suggested move of Pluto to Pluto (dwarf planet)

I have suggested the move to make the disambiguation page the automatic direct for "Pluto". Please add your thoughts at Talk:Pluto The Enlightened (talk) 10:41, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Bluto

I removed this:

Disney Studios successfully forced Paramount Pictures to change the name of Olive Oyl's eager suitor in the Popeye cartoons from Bluto to Brutus on the grounds that he might be confused with Pluto, although the characters are nothing alike.

...a popular, yet untrue rumor. The Bluto/Brutus name change involves a legal mixup over Bluto's ownership between Paramount Pictures and King Features Syndicate. --FuriousFreddy 20:40, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Just as the above removal begs citation, so does the reason for removal. Either would be great contributions to the main article, but not without supporting evidence. Hondo 20:02, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Concept and creation

As I understand it, Norm Ferguson, under Walt Disney's supervison was the main supervising animator of Pluto and was quite responsible for his design and as well as "breathing life" into him. This can be easily referenced in Disney animators Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston's "The Illusion of Life". I am making a notation of this in the main article unless there is contention to this. User:Hokgwai

Naming

I removed the reference quoting Disney in a book casually cited as On The Road to Disney, by Walt Disney. I could not locate any citations of the book on WorldCat, Amazon.com, or LexisNexis Academic. If the original author could restore the paragraph with improved citation, that would be appreciated. I substituted a more detailed account of Pluto's naming. Demeny 17:56, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Origins of name Pluto

http://www.space.com/searchforlife/060907_pluto_politics.html

This page suggests that the name Pluto did not come from the Planet Pluto but was instead suggested by an 11 year old girl?

58.107.43.109 (talk) 12:22, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

You are reading it backwards. The article states what I hope would have been obvious ... that the planet was not named after the cartoon dog.Kww (talk) 12:37, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok Thanks

Pberrett (talk) 07:22, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Puto's Debut ?

...is currently noted to be "Chain Gang" (Aug 1930) ref [1] (at 5:58 in the clip) however, the two "bloodhounds" bear very little resemblance to Pluto's character and are much more akin to generic dogs. Alternately, consider "The Picnic" (Nov 1930) ref [2] (at 0:58 in the clip) to be the real debut. Some reasons:

The "Chain Gang" dogs lack Pluto's physical characteristics - i.e. no knob on the head, sharp canine teeth, unemotive faces, no change of emotion; P - Pluto has his knob head, his peg teeth, his face shows emotions, he rapidly changes emotions In "Chain Gang", 2 dogs are shown, whereas in "Picnic" only one dog appears. In "chain gang" the dogs are bloodhounds, whereas in several later episodes, (e.g. Mickey's Garden) Pluto is clearly a pointer.

re: "The Picnic" it is not clear that the character's name was "rover" but rather Minnie's line was: "oh can I bring my little rover" (w/ possessive pronoun) - as there was no further reference in the short, we cant conclude that this was his name.István (talk) 14:46, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

or consider this appearance, predating "Chain Gang", in "Mickey's Choo Choo" (20 Jun 29) at 1:39 in the video. Its clearly a dog, with a knob head, peg teeth, obviously Mickey's pal, showing human emotion - this character is much closer to Pluto than the two smooth-head, pointy-tooth, adverserial bloodhounds in "Chain Gang" . I believe the WP:RS source is simply wrong, yet correcting it with reference to the works themselves would be WP:PRIMARY at best.István (talk) 04:57, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Here it is clearly shown (left) from 1929 "Mickey's Choo Choo" at 1:41 and (right) the referenced debut in 1930 from "The Chain Gang" at 6:06. Clearly the earlier one is more akin to Pluto than the later one. thumb|right|150px|[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRONSuM-Msc Referenced debut of Pluto in 1930] thumb|left|150px|[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvZdUlbTs6U Proposed debut of Pluto in 1929] (click on the images to view - these are "fair-use" so they must be thumbs) Clearly, the 1929 version is closer to Pluto than the later 1930 version.

1. Pluto is a companion (1929), not a police dog (1930).
2. Pluto (29) behaves in character whereas the police dogs (1930) do not.
3. Pluto (29) has peg teeth, whereas the police dogs (1930) have pointed teeth.
4. Pluto (29) has the knob on his head, whereas the police dogs' (1930) heads are smoothly round
5. Pluto is a pointer whereas the police dog (1930) is a bloodhound

References all over the web citing the 1930 appearance in "The Chain Gang" are just simply wrong. Possibly due to one mistake propagating itself via cut-and-paste (something wikipedia is often accused of fostering - seems this happens from other, especially less scrutinized sources, as well). István (talk) 14:44, 17 March 2011 (UTC)