|WikiProject Computing / Networking||(Rated C-class)|
- 1 Layout Needs Improvement
- 2 LCP and internet protocol suite
- 3 Enhanced error detection
- 4 'Automatic configuration' and ipcp?
- 5 Why is PPP over modem not tunneling?
- 6 Most important features
- 7 Issues with conflicting layer 2
- 8 Multilink PPP needs mention before talking about Multiclass PPP
- 9 MLPPP
- 10 Permission to improve article?
- 11 Article Improvement (October 2011)
- 12 Merge NCP (list)?
- 13 Title
Layout Needs Improvement
The layout for this article is a mess (rating C). Why are these sections kept separate?
- Basic Features
- Most important features
- Other features
Wouldn't you say that everything in the article describes a feature? How about we rename and move the article to Features of Point-to-Point Protocol? Come on, people. Lets try again. Stephen Charles Thompson (talk) 03:34, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
- I did my best to change from that layout to a structure that would make more sense. I hope that helps. --MathsPoetry (talk) 11:10, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
LCP and internet protocol suite
The article mentions LCP but does not expand the acronym, define it, or link to a description. Also, would it be possible to include this article in the "Internet Protocol Suite" set of Wikipedia articles?
- Re: LCP, see my recent contribution. No, PPP is not an Internet protocol, although it is heavily used in the Internet. It is a layer 2 protocol, and serves as a substrate for IP and friends. Yaron 16:31, Jul 23, 2004 (UTC)
Enhanced error detection
The section "Enhanced error detection" was messed up so I've reverted to the previous version. -Vikram 17:26, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
'Automatic configuration' and ipcp?
i know from working for bt business broadband in the uk that they use IPCP when a connection is established (although networking at this level isn't my speciality and i'm not sure exactly how). should this protocol be mentioned in the 'Automatic configuration' section? --MilkMiruku 19:40, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
- Sure, it should be. I'll poke a sentence or two in there.
- --William Allen Simpson 16:29, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Why is PPP over modem not tunneling?
Why is PPP over a POTS or ISDN modem not considered as tunneling, which PPPoE and PPPoA is? PPP over modem is an LLC protocol encapsulated in another. Are modems considered as physical layer communicatoin? Okay the serial link between the modem and the computer is physical layer protocol, while Ethernet connection between ADSL modem and the computer is a link layer protocol. A modem behaves as if it were a circuit switched physical link (an asynchronous serial link), but modern modems include LLC sublayer, since they divide the data into blocks (some kind of packets) rather than codewords (there are no start and stop bits), and performs packet mode flow control and automatic repeat request. Mange01 18:15, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- No. There is a tunnelling when encapsulation is done without increasing the layer number. When using a normal POTS modem, the protocol stack is : PPP (2), IP (3), TCP (4). 2 being lower as 3, this is "normal" encapsulation and not tunnelling. With PPPoE for example, at some point the layer number goes down, this is tunnelling. I hope that explanation helps. --MathsPoetry (talk) 21:33, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Most important features
(Was previously named "PPP most important issues") I wonder if this section is required? It does not seem to present any new information, and the overview of PPP seems to present the basic principles very well. I've updated the section as a temporary solution. --Stryke3 10:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Issues with conflicting layer 2
Is anyone familiar with having PPP alogside Ethernet MAC in the same system? It seems that when installing PPP after having a normal Ethernet installation, the latter becomes defunct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 15:16, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
A short note on Multilink PPP (RFC 1990) preceding the topic on Multiclass PPP would better explain sequence numbers and their need better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 17:02, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
- Not only is Multilink PPP not mentioned, a former article on Multi-link PPP redirects to this article, so the reader searching Wikipedia for MLPPP is redirected to an article that doesn't even mention it!
- Ross Fraser (talk) 23:16, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Permission to improve article?
I'm the RFC author/editor of many of these standards and proposed standards. General wikipedia rules discourage the authors of original work from writing the articles here. But it's now tagged for expert, -- and I'm the expert. Permission to improve article?
--William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:29, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
- Who are you asking? ;] The standards are published and they are accepted standards instead of personal works so your participation is not strictly forbidden. As long as you are not doing original research here or putting forth personal opinions then there is no absolute prohibition against your participation here. I assume you'll stick to the established and proposed standards which are actually in use otherwise you'll have to leave them out because this is an encyclopedia on what actually exists today, not on possible futures. If you have doubts on individual items feel free to discuss in here whether to add them. Aaron Walkhouse (talk) 01:12, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Article Improvement (October 2011)
Citations and References
I've found a couple of sources that appear useful with regard to validating the claims made on this article. I'm not sure if the sources would be considered "reliable" insofar that Wikipedia would respect their reliability. What do you think?
- http://www.pcworld.com/article/48467/how_it_works_dialup_networking.html - PCWorld Magazine - Clearly written and simple to understand.
- http://support.microsoft.com/kb/124036 - Quite technical and one would assume accurate.
- No one has anything to add? These would/wouldn't be acceptable refs? Any other sources? -- fgTC 07:12, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
- Both of these look to be reasonable as references. If you have the time to do so, it's even more valuable to add material to the article drawn from these references. Currently the article is a bit pedantic and not at all user-friendly. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 23:44, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
- Ya I think these are credible sources, good luck with the page!Millertime246 (talk) 00:06, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
I agree with Ed: those definitely look like reliable sources that you can use. The biggest problem I see with the article is that it's filled with technical jargon that doesn't really tell people who aren't already networking experts what PPP is good for and when they would want to use it (e.g. attaching their computer to the internet over a dialup connection). The PC World source is probably a better choice for that. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:06, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for all the responses here. I have been told (a few times in various places) that I am good at explaining things without resorting to jargon Channel comment (page two) by YouTube user "vnh4783" so will enjoy the challenge. -- fgTC 00:28, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
I found a couple more useful references I think are suitable.
- http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/Point-to-Point_Protocol - Commercial but highly honoured. Microsoft is as commercial.
- http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc768082.aspx - Another from MS (haven't compared the two yet)
I'd appreciate being told in advance of using them if there were doubts about their appropriateness. I have a feeling this may take a few days (I am no expert either Wikipedian or network engineer type). I am working on a mirror at User:Fred_Gandt/sandbox/Point-to-Point Protocol. -- fgTC 21:48, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, those references seem OK. Keep in mind the Richard Stevens books listed in TCP/IP Illustrated. Consider a Google Scholar search as well. EdJohnston (talk) 13:56, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you Ed. I didn't know about the scholar search. I'll give it good poke and see what turns up. I'm having to learn as I go here so the couple/few days may have been a little naive (also it's the weekend and I'm knackered). Thankfully once the basics are done others with greater skill and/or knowledge can review and fix my work (that is if someone doesn't get it done before me). See you on the flip side! And thanks again for the heads up. fgtc 14:10, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
There's also a book on the history, although some inaccuracies. I've a couple of copies in a box somewhere. And the complete archives of all the discussions.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 13:39, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- Ant refs you feel like adding, please go ahead. I haven't tackled any editing this involved before so for the articles sake it would be great to have more [refs]. fgtc 23:44, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Just FYI: My attention is all over the place right now but I am going to be getting on with this ASAP. (eew FYI and ASAP in one comment). Thankfully I don't own the article so it isn't all dependant on me. fgtc 06:18, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Merge NCP (list)?
I've updated Network Control Protocol to be more comprehensive, but it's still going to be just a rather short list. I'm not convinced a separate page for it is warranted. Someone not using his real name (talk) 01:22, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
Having reviewed the NCP page, I agree. The contents of that page are short enough that they can be lifted entirely and placed in the PPP page and thereby reduce the need to click over the the NCP page just to read a short list of bullet points. --Vomlehn (talk) 22:54, 26 January 2014 (UTC)