Talk:Polluter pays principle

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translations[edit]

I don't know how to add translations and links to wikipedias in other languages. so here the raw info:

- In German: Verursacherprinzip http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verursacherprinzip text is still short but more detailed tahn english. would be worth translating partially.

- In Japanese: according to alc dictionary: http://www2.alc.co.jp/ejr/index.php?word_in=polluter-pays+principle&word_in2=%82%A9%82%AB%82%AD%82%AF%82%B1&word_in3=PVawEWi72JXCKoa0Je

汚染者負担{おせん しゃ ふたん}の原則{げんそく}、公害発生者負担{こうがい はっせい しゃ ふたん}の原則{げんそく}◆【略】PPP (no entry in Japanese wikipedia so far) Bine maya 17:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


- Polluter pays is NOT EPR - in most cases of "EPR" the "manufacturer" is not the "producer" of the waste (i.e., the person putting it in the watestream). EPR is a clear bastardization of "polluter pays" and shouldn't be mentioned here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.71.247 (talk) 19:17, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

-Agreed. Although, I would say that it is the of use of the word "polluter" here that is more confusing: does the polluter refer to the manufacturer? or the consumer? EPR specifically refers to the producer, aka. manufacturer. Furthermore, EPR is able to include much more than just economic responsibility for a product. It can extend to physical responsibility, liability, and even ownership of the product while it is used by a third party (i.e. what we would consider the consumer). This article does not do EPR justice and I would like to edit it. Maybe once I'm done writing this paper on EPR... meantime, great info here--Molsonite (talk) 22:09, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Details on externalized costs[edit]

The Swiss government says: <the following includes a definition of PPP and estimates the externalized costs of products - i.e. costs that should be borne by polluter but end up being paid for by taxes or consumers are at least 8.8 Milliarden Franks. (http://www.bafu.admin.ch/wirtschaft/00520/00521/index.html?lang=de)>

"Das Verursacherprinzip sagt, dass in einer Marktwirtschaft auch die Umweltnutzung und -belastung ihren Preis haben soll. In den Bilanzen der Industrie und in den Rechnungen der öffentlichen Hand werden die Kosten für Umweltbelastungen erst wenig berücksichtigt. Zum Beispiel verursacht die Luftverschmutzung Gesundheitsschäden sowie auch Schäden an Sandsteinfassaden historischer Bauten. Diese müssen deshalb alle paar Jahre restauriert werden. Werden solche Kosten nicht vom Verursacher getragen, spricht man von einer Externalisierung der Kosten.Täglich fällen Konsumenten und Produzenten viele Entscheidungen. Dabei wägen sie ständig Kosten und Nutzen gegeneinander ab; meist aber nur jene Kosten und Nutzen, die sie selber betreffen. Gesamtwirtschaftlich vorteilhaft wäre es, wenn auch externe Kosten und Nutzen berücksichtigt werden.Die heute bekannten externen Umweltkosten betragen in der Schweiz jährlich mindestens 8.8 Mia. Fr. Ein Teil dieser Kosten kann den Verursachern angelastet werden. Den anderen Teil muss die Allgemeinheit tragen. Geeignete marktwirtschaftliche Instrumente helfen, das Verursacherprinzip besser umzusetzen." Bine maya 17:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Applications?[edit]

  • coil mines destroing buildings
  • nuclear reactors bursting
  • methane and non-vegan living people
  • high voltage lines destroying the beauty of the landscape
  • wind-energy
    • and the CO2 produced building the stuff
    • cheap wind energy disturbing the power-net
  • power supplies without power factor correction
  • making electrical power so expensive that people stop using light bulbs
  • mobile phones that last longer than 2 Years, phones are too cheap
  • making fuel so expensive that people stop using SUVs and stsop buying food, which travelled through half of the world
  • no free ways or free autobahns
  • making heating so expensive that good thermal properties of houses reward the owner already after 45 years
  • let the stuff pay the fuel of company car (bonus for low fuel use)

Arnero 16:52, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Regional custom ?[edit]

It is regarded as a regional custom ...

That implies that you are talking about a particular region, or a couple perhaps. Umm, which ones? Shenme 06:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)