Talk:Polynesians

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this list of ethnic groups is a mess and un-encylipidic for the time being[edit]

the list of ethnic groups needs to have order its a mess a big jumble cant we at least group them into groups so that readers can be more informed about the Polynesian people diaspora? also needs a secondary list for extinct Polynesian peoples such at ethnic Hawaiians (indigenous natives of Hawaii and so on for the rest of the extinct Polynesian tribes 76.244.151.164 (talk) 15:21, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

why doesnt it have fijians??[edit]

97.126.145.25 (talk) 19:27, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Because they are not Polynesian but Melanesian and proud of it. Polynesia is defined mainly by culture language - and although the Fijian languages are closely related to Polynesian, they are not Polynesian because they do not derive from Proto-Polynesian. Kahuroa (talk) 09:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

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Copyvio removed[edit]

I've removed content that was copy/pasted from this PNAS publication. Those interested are welcome to rewrite the content to avoid copyright violation and re-add properly referenced to the source. Vsmith (talk) 19:03, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

History section: Confusion between Polynesians and their ancestors[edit]

As I understand it, the Polynesians as a people date to only a few thousand years ago. The people who "arrived in the Bismarck Archipelago of Papua New Guinea at least 6,000 to 8,000 years ago" were ancestral to the Polynesians, but not Polynesians themselves. When you look at all the related, but non-Polynesian peoples between the Bismarck Archipelago and Polynesia, you have to wonder where and when you can talk about the emergence of the true Polynesians. Which is another problem: an article about a people should have more about when and where and how that people appeared as something separate from other related peoples. All we have here is vague talk about the prehistory of Oceania and the Austronesians.

At the very least, the introductory paragraph (which seems to have been lifted whole from the Sundaland article, or added by the same person to both) should be removed or completely rewritten, since it deals with events thousands of years before anyone could be remotely describable as Polynesians. As it stands now, it's self-contradictory, since "drowning" a "peninsula" doesn't "extend" a "landmass", but it would better fix the whole thing than just that sentence. To keep the paragraph, we would have to add an explanation of how the end of the last ice age was connected to the emergence of the Polynesian people somewhere else more than 5,000 years later.

On the whole, this article is an almost-embarrassing stub compared to the treatment at Polynesia. Someone needs to harmonize the two by improving this one. Chuck Entz (talk) 21:21, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

In fact, even if the issue were not so obviously based on a misunderstanding (the old "Anglo-Saxon cavemen" fallacy, as I have started to dub it since it is so pervasive in pop-prehistory: that Britain was settled by humans at least 10,000 years ago doesn't mean that the Anglo-Saxon/English ethnicity goes equally far back), the introduction of recent and sensational research touted as spectacularly refuting a long-established theory (model) is a classic case of recentism. That's why we have WP:PRIMARY: we are supposed to tread lightly with regard to recent research which has not been properly assessed and reviewed yet, and the omission of sceptical or negative reception is plain dishonest; after all, just because a paper has been published in a respected magazine does not mean that its conclusions cannot be wrong. Just think of the OPERA affair. In fields such as physics where we have enough experts, such tabloid reporting would never be tolerated.
Actually, I wonder if it would not be better to simply redirect this page to Polynesia, since it offers next to no useful additional information, but only disinformation instead. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 15:57, 15 October 2013 (UTC)


Chamorros are not polynesian[edit]

Chamorros are not linguistically and culturally or even look remotely Polynesian, although both are Austronesians and lived on islands doesn't mean they are Polynesians. Fijians are closer to Polynesians than to Chamorros. Look at the language, Chamorro is listed as part of Sunda-Sulawesi group of languages, which means they are closer to Southeast Asian Austronesians (Filipinos,Borneans,Malays,Javanese etc) than to Polynesians. I hope you check much deeper about Chamorros.

Anonymous — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.9.97.237 (talk) 03:40, 17 September 2014 (UTC)