Talk:Pope Gregory XVI

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Untitled[edit]

Can the comment on the cardinal secretary of state objecting to railways and gas be clarified?

Jacqueline Speel

Will?[edit]

There any proof of his strange will? As reported in this aincent SciAm? Thanx 69.142.2.68 02:07, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Trivia[edit]

Leo XIII was the penultimately surviving cardinal appointed by Gregory XVI

Jackiespeel 19:12, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Not already a bishop?[edit]

"In March 1825 he was created Cardinal by Pope Leo XII (1823–29), and shortly afterwards was entrusted with an important mission to adjust a concordat regarding the interests of the Catholics of Walloon in the Protestant dominated Netherlands. ...... Gregory XVI was the last man (thus far) elected Pope who was not already a bishop."

Doesn't the fact that he was a cardinal - a higher rank than a bishop - imply that he must have been considered a bishop? Doesn't the fact that he went straight from priest to cardinal mean that his bishopric was subsumed? JackofOz 00:01, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

No. The office of cardinal, the purpose of which is to help elect the Pope during a vacancy and assist a reigning Pope in his governance, is not a level of the Sacrament of Holy Orders; it is outside that sacramental hierarchy. Current canon law (since 1962) requires cardinals to be bishops (although this is not completely absolute; certain cardinals have gotten a dispensation from being ordained bishops and remain simple priests, e.g. Avery Cardinal Dulles), but in the past it was not necessary to be a bishop to be appointed a cardinal. The division of the College of Cardinals into Cardinal Bishops, Cardinal Priests, and Cardinal Deacons, which continues today (even though now almost all cardinals are in fact bishops, and all are certainly priests) reflects the older possibility of men who were not bishops beings appointed to the latter two grades of the cardinalate.

irrelevant to section, or even spam?[edit]

The following impression of Gregory seems out of context in this particular section. Also, the site to which the citation points confirms my suspicions that this might be spam. I've removed the section. If there was any valid reason for it being there, please explain.

section:

"The new Pontiff was tall and lusty, with a coarse countenance; the typical gormandising, bibulous. He lacked both poise and dignity, and his favourite recreation consisted in playing blind man's bluff with the least aged of the cardinals. So roughly did he treat his unfortunate playfellows that in his exuberance he knocked down Cardinal Soglia one fine day, the shock being so violent that the victim almost died of it. In another mood he would order all the palace servants to be assembled in the courtyard and from a window would throw down handfuls of money to them, laughing till his sides ached to watch the ensuing scrum. The only person he showed any affection for was his barber Morrone, who was his most trusted adviser and confidant. This man and his wife lived in the Quirinal, where the couple occupied a luxurious apartment, and the christenings of their numerous progeny were made occasions of important Court functions to which the Sacred College and the diplomatic corps were solemnly bidden." [1]

"And yet Gregory XVI was not unprincipled nor was he a nonentity. He had the reputation of being an able theologian and had written several scholarly works on the subject; but he had no talent for statecraft and not a trace of political acumen. He was feckless, too easily influenced by his familiar and vulgar associates." [2]

Vatican Museums Founded by Pope Gregory XVI[edit]

Were there museums founded by Pope Gregory XVI?: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://mv.vatican.va/2_IT/pages/MGE/MGE_Main.html&ei=s1pKT6KAGqby0gG9yJiXDg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMuseo%2BGregoriano%2BEtrusco%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D585%26prmd%3Dimvns

Twillisjr (talk) 16:22, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Conflicting birth dates - please provide source[edit]

Currently the article states that Gregory XVI was born on 18 September 1765. However, the Catholic Encyclopedia gives the 8 September 1765 as his date of birth (as does his entry in Catholic hierarchy). I would like to have the current entry backed up by a robust source. Gugganij (talk) 10:56, 7 July 2013 (UTC)