Talk:Pope Innocent IV

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"He had for his immediate predecessor Celestine IV, who however, was pope for eighteen days only, and therefore the events of Innocent's pontificate practically link themselves on to those of the reign of Gregory IX."

This sentence at the start of the second paragraph doesn't actually make sense. I would change it but I can't work out what it is trying to say. Thryduulf 20:12, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Innocent IV as Pope[edit]

Tne New Catholic Encyclopedia states that the Innocent IV was elected Pope on June 25, 1243 and NOT June 28, 1243.

Neutral point of view, please?[edit]

The section "Later Developments and Death" is absolutely against one of the 3 prime rules of Wikipedia - neutrality. How can you say "Within twenty years Frederick's grandson would also be dead and the world would sigh with relief at the end of the ambitions of the House of Hohenstauffen." on the article about one of the treacherous and willing to use religious power to put the worldly leaders to their knees popes throughout the history? How can you say that Europe "sigh with relief" after the illegal execution of a 16 years old boy ? Another thing - "Nonetheless, when Conrad died in May 1254 the Pope recognized the hereditary claims of his son, Conradin. Manfred at first submitted to papal authority adn the pope met with him in Naples in October 1254. This appears to have been a ruse concocted by Manfred or his advisors." What? Steven Runciman in "The Sicilian Vespers" for example states that "When the Pope crossed the river Garigliano into the Kingdom on 11 October, Manfred came to meet him and walked beside him leading his horse. But meanwhile the Pope's nephew, Cardinal William dei Dieschi, led the papal army southward, demanding oaths of allegiance with omitted all reference to Conradin..." /that's in 1254/ .

Please fix this article! :]

--Tour noir (talk) 18:16, 28 July 2009 (UTC)