Talk:Pope Innocent VIII
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I deleted this text from the article:
- He is the one who successfully eliminated cannabis, (marijuana,) traditions in the church, and also as a medicine.
If there were marijuana traditions in the Roman Catholic Church, I'd have probably heard about them. Hemp continued to have medical uses up till the early 20th century, and AFAIK there were no sectarian differences in its use. If anyone has a reference for this and it means something, please step forward and clarify this. - Smerdis of Tlön 18:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
- There is reference of this in Jack Herer's excellent book, The Emperor Wears No Clothes. "In 1484, Pope Innocent VIII singled out cannabis healers and other herbalists, proclaiming hemp an unholy sacrament of the second and third types of satanic mass." I will add this to the article. -Teetotaler 15 March, 2008
General tone problems
I'm getting a distinct sense that whoever wrote the major portion of this entry really didn't like Pope Innocent VIII. I didn't mind when they mentioned his appointment of Torquemada, and I can live with comments about distributing slaves to the Curia, but when you start adding snide Latin epigrams about how many bastards he fathered (without bothering to give an attribution) and speculations about Giuliano wanting a Pope "whom he was confident he could control", then I think you're starting to lower Wikipedia's standards somewhat. - Agur bar Jacé (talk) 18:50, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
- I tend to agree. Blue-Haired Lawyer 12:42, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
- It's so hard to find much to like about this Pope. The article barely scratches the surface of his role in the Inquisition and the persecution of women and children as witches.LeValley 05:43, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Speaking of which...
A paragraph reads: "Shortly after his coronation Innocent VIII addressed a fruitless summons to Christendom to unite in a crusade against the infidels; the amount of his own zeal may in some degree be estimated from the fact that in 1489, in consideration of a yearly stipend of 40,000 ducats and a gift of the Holy Lance, he consented to favour Bayazid II (1481–1512) by detaining the Sultan's fugitive brother Cem in close confinement in the Vatican."
This attack on Innocent seems a bit wide of the mark. The editor apparently intended to convey the idea that Innocent did not care about the crusades, really. But the lengthy explanation of Cem's imprisonment loses the reader. So the pope was paid to detain an erstwhile enemy's brother. So what? A little corruption that is a bit hard to grasp at first reading. I think the "fruitless summons" remark should be allowed to stand alone. Okay to describe the Cem imprisonment later without the editor's possibly WP:OR implication IMO. The reader can make up her/his own mind. Student7 (talk) 13:45, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
- I agree, that paragraph makes little sense. But, the way I took it was this: Innocent VIII was all gung-ho on crusades, but no one else was (God bless 'em). One can figure out how zealous he was about the Crusades by noting that he took a bribe from Bayazid II (whom, presumably, he would have been crusading against), in order that he capture Bayazid's fugitive brother and detain him. // This left me thinking perhaps the author was being sarcastic? Zeal is zeal - it's passed in passion. This sounds more like greed. It would be great if the article clarified in which direction the yearly stipend was going (presumably TO the pope) and from whom, exactly (Presumably from Bayazid - but not clear, and not sourced).--LeValley 20:57, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
The article says "The unsympathetic Roman chronicler Stefano Infessura provides many lively details, among them the apparent attempt to revive Innocent VIII on his deathbed by blood transfusions from three young male children (who died as well in the process)." But isn't that a part of these legends called blood libel, which were used to discriminate Jews? Even after WW II there was a case, when people murdered Jews after they were accused to have sacrificed a Christian boy. I think in this case it should be mentioned that Infessura did not only tell an antipapal, but also a antisemite story. Fulcher (talk) 16:51, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Little Ice Age
The article currently attributes the rise of witchcraft fears to the little ice age. Such environmental determinism is highly controversial (to put it mildly) and is presently unsourced. I have removed the text here:
"During what is known as the Little Ice Age, the grip of freezing weather, failing of crops, rising crime, and mass starvation resulted in an increasing fear of witches." 18.104.22.168 (talk) 13:38, 21 October 2013 (UTC)