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Inline citations need to be more consistent - lots of hyperlinks....plange 05:27, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

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Length and tone are probably greatest issues with the fact that it is triffle "rigid".
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Length and tone are probably greatest issues with the fact that it is triffle "rigid".
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This article is aspiring to be a Good Article. To start with it is far far too long (57K little chance!)
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Length and tone are probably greatest issues with the fact that it is triffle "rigid".
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[edit] While some have criticised him [...] others have praised him

How banal, commonplace, inane, PC, trivial, uninteresting. JP2 was one of the great leaders of the 20th century, period. Who cares about what some hippies think of him. --Fertuno (talk) 12:57, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Agreed!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.51.61.226 (talk) 17:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

To see how the lead paragraph came to have this particular wording, see discussion, now archived. -- Marek.69 ^talk 17:20, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

This is not a forum. None of this actually relates to the article. Spartan S58 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:59, 29 September 2009 (UTC).

[edit] Using ascension-research.org as a source

The site claims to have no affiliations with any organization but is registered by Allen Buresz of Natural Health L.P. in Virginia. Checking the Virginia company records online, no such limited partnership has been registered as active. Consequently the registration is suspect with apparently false information. The site appears to be another rambling self-published and self-promotional site with no claim as to status or validity. It does not meet the guidance for wp:reliable sources and should not be used as a source, ever, by anyone.—Ash (talk) 08:41, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Notes

[edit] Deletion of an auxlilary article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Beatification_and_Canonisation_of_Pope_John_Paul_II

Read my post there, because I don't think anyone actually goes to that page. So I'm bringing it up here. Spartan S58 (talk) 14:55, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] "Waving a soft hand on them" - what does that phrase mean?

Under "Criticism", the Pope is said to have been "waving a soft hand on" certain groups. This is simply not an English idiom, and has no acknowledged or understood meaning. Does it mean "not controlling them at all, and letting them do what they want"? "Controlling them, but very leniently"? "Waving them away as if to disagree with them, but not firmly"? These are three separate ideas, and the phrase could mean any of three. Does anyone know which of the three is meant, or is it something else? --NellieBly (talk) 23:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

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[edit] While some have criticised him [...] others have praised him

[edit] Using ascension-research.org as a source

[edit] Notes

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