Talk:Pope Pius V
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In your article on Pius V it is stated that he belonged to the Benedictine Order. He did not. He was a Dominican.
He also was NOT the first Dominican elected pope. Innocent V was a Dominican and elected in 1276 LONG before Pius V.
Does this place exist? The only references I can find to it occur in the numerous copies of this article which are on-line. If it doesn't, perhaps we should delete the reference. Tevildo 11:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Pius V origin of papal white myth
As a lay Dominican, I love this story. Unfortunately, it's likely apocryphal. Please see:
Regarding the origin of the custom of the white papal cassock, a priest from Indianapolis writes:
"You state that the use of the papal white cassock originated with Pius V's use of his Dominican habit. I have heard this story repeated many times, and I suspect it is repeated so often because it's kind of a cute story. I suspect the story is apocryphal.
"Raphael's painting The Mass at Bolsena (1512) portrays Julius II in what appears to be pretty much the same white cassock and red mozzetta worn by popes today, as does his seated portrait of Julius II, and his Portrait of Leo X with Cardinals Luigi de' Rosso and Giulio de' Medici (1518-19). Piombo's 1526 portrait of Clement VII, and Titian's 1546 portrait of Paul III also portray these popes in white cassock and red mozzetta."
According to the news show Rome Reports, which airs on EWTN, popes have worn white since Sixtus IV (1471-1484). This is borne out in the contemporary portrait of Sixtus IV by Melozzo da Forlì (c. 1477-80).
So, as wonderful as the story of St. Pius V, OP, refusing to give up his wonderful habit, it just doesn't jibe with the facts. --22.214.171.124 03:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- True enough. It was the actual first Dominican friar elected pope, Innocent V, who began the custom of wearing white. He was elected some 290 years before Pius V. Perhaps since they both had the same posnominal number they have been easily confused.
The article is sourced using a blog showing pics, saying earlier popes wore "the same cassock" as Pius V. I've never seen a painting of Pius V in a cassock. He is wearing white with a red mozzetta, but not a cassock. These are hardly cassocks  File:Pope_Pius_V_16th_century.jpg It's a very wide garment made of thin cloth. The oldest pic I've found of a pope possibly wearing a cassock is Benedict XIV, 18th century. File:Benoit_XIV.jpg. Maybe Pius wore his dominican habit - but if so, he was never depicted in it, but always in the papal "gala". Blogs aren't good sources, unless they are written by experts. In this case the blogger is obviously mistaken. --126.96.36.199 (talk) 09:26, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
- Removed. For those who would like to check the blogger's pics and reasoning, here's the link . --188.8.131.52 (talk) 09:38, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Character and Policy
"Miraculous Conception"? Is this supposed to mean "Immaculate Conception"? This dogma was not proclaimed until 1874 by Pope Pius IX.
Unclear statement under Election
In the Election section, there is a statement tagged with "clarification needed:"
The prudence of Giovanni Francesco Commendone saved him at the commencement of his pontificate from trouble with Germany, as in the general diet of the empire at Augsburg, 26 March 1566.
I have seen many images of the Saint. This one, however, I have difficulty with this image. In the background is an image of torture. What is it's significance? I do know the Saint suffered and his work has immense importance. --MacOfJesus (talk) 21:19, 19 April 2012 (UTC) Sorry, I have tried to bring up the image but it did not work.. will try later...MacOfJesus (talk) 21:22, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
I am a little amazed that no one has come up with reflections on this image and its significance. Perhaps, there are no historians here??? If so perhaps I, too, should leave.... MacOfJesus (talk) 20:33, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- I assume it's a fake, produced to defame Pius V. I've seen a variant of this image with a completely different background. However, I'm currently unable to decide which one is true/original. --Túrelio (talk) 13:43, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
- In the original image the Fore-image is in Black-&-White and shows the Saint with the Crucifix.
- The figure seems to rise from the cross.
- This image here, however, is in elaborate colour.
- Now look at the background. At this time printing was in its infancy..... MacOfJesus (talk) 21:52, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
- I am now surprised that someone has used the image I posted here because of the notes above, on the Article page. For, it does come from a source that is Anti-Pope Pius V, so in a sense it is "fake". I ask for a consensus that it be removed. I will provide an image that goes right back to him.. .... MacOfJesus (talk) 20:09, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
I have put here the correct image from the earliest Missals [Latin]....... May the image above be deleted and this image placed there instead..... I am not able/allowed to edit it....MacOfJesus (talk) 22:18, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Papacy vs. Pontificate
In most of the other articles, the section detailing a Pope's activities during office are under the heading "Papacy," not "Pontificate." Should that be changed for consistency? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 03:41, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
The reference to St. Pius V's feastday as a memorial is changed to optional memorial, which term is used in the site referred to in the statement. It is also the designation used in the Roman Missal. Caeruleancentaur (talk) 03:27, 30 April 2013 (UTC)