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- 1 Malthus
- 2 images
- 3 Less developed countries
- 4 Checks on population growth
- 5 logistic growth
- 6 A little human-centric
- 7 China: Example of Population overshoot
- 8 Quebec Example
- 9 India Example
- 10 Countries by Population
- 11 Revision As Of 23:40, 21 June 2007
- 12 how many is everyone?
- 13 The population of India and China
- 14 Opening sentence is awkward
- 15 population pryamid of canberra ACT australia
- 16 vandalism
- 17 Populations, land area, and population density
- 18 Future predictions
- 19 2nd sentence is bizarre
- 20 Suggest to re-title the topic to....
- 21 The topic of human population management is being re- hilighted here again....
- 22 removing the population control sections?
- 23 pics
- 24 Lets split the article
- 25 population growth has slowed but this page says the opposite
- 26 section describing forecasted population growth is direct quote from source
- 27 Bias towards human population
- 28 Section: world human population
- 29 Population:
- 30 Population:
- 31 Outdated
Searching commons for world population, population and crowd brings up some pictures and graphs which may be useful for this article. I have picked a few, but there are others there to choose from Astrokey44 00:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Less developed countries
Maybe we could talk about why third world countries have a higher fertility rate than developed countries (birth control, culture differences, education diffences, etc)? Flyerhell 10:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Checks on population growth
This topic could be an entire page onto itself. Here's what appears to be a good reference: http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/P/Populations2.html For human population growth, see also: http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/P/Populations.html — RJH 18:04, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
December 2005 (UTC)
The link to logistic growth provides an article with diagrams that do not appear to match the population growth diagram in the population article. The population article diagram appears to provide actual population growth of human population; the logistic growth article diagrams provide a math-based theory of growth, which, thankfully, the Earth is not currently achieving. -hmains
A little human-centric
I agree somewhat. Added links to small population size and extinction in 'population decline'. May a population become extinct, even if a species survives somewhere else? If a total world population of a species disappears, then it is definitely globally extinct. Melianis 10:47, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
China: Example of Population overshoot
In this article, someone mentioned that overpopulation was mostly caused by immigration. Is this true of China? Is this true of the United States? Sandy June 04:42, 12 February 2006 (UTC) No. Doesn't make sense. should be removed if not already Cuvtixo (talk) 16:50, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
It's difficult in China and Japan as the people there always used to avoid most contact with foreign people. In the U.S. it's different as the country was founded by immigrants and the U.S. government always stimulated immigration until the 50's-60's, when they started to have problems with it. exukvera 17:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- Not true. U.S. government imposed various restrictions on immigrants from specific countries starting with the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 List of United States immigration legislation. The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 discontinued quotas based on national origin, while preference given to those who have U.S. relatives. For the first time Mexican immigration was restricted. Whether the gov't officially or unofficially stimulates immigration is a different question!
China is complicated, partly because boundaries have changed and also because many different ethnicities live in different areas. One could say Taiwan had a lot of immigration, although others would call this Chinese people moving within China. Essentially, "overpopulation" is an arbitrary term. I suppose when nearly the entire population dies (from starvation or disease) within one generation, that is definitively overpopulation, of course then it pretty quickly stops being overpopulation! Cuvtixo (talk) 16:50, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
What are you saying? This is VERY unclear and confusing.
The Indian example which simply states that in the late 50s and early 60s there was the first official state birth control program has no reference and to merit inclusion this needs the 1970s policy which I have added. Perhaps due to its impact on politics and the arts it is much better known to me than the Chinese one child program and is equally important to include. Adam37 (talk) 16:30, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Countries by Population
The chart appears to be out of date (Russia has surpassed Bangladesh). See another chart on Wikipedia in this article which gives 2005 UN estimates as its source. Should this article's chart be updated?Italic text population of math is the ,sdfjioyg
Revision As Of 23:40, 21 June 2007
I changed the text "On October 18, 2012 at 4:36 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time, the Earth will be home to 7 trillion" to say "7 billion". After checking the history, I see minor revisions throughout the article from the last revisor. One of them happens to be changing "denotes a breeding" to "deonates farty breeding". Others are changing dates and numbers by small amounts. I recommend changing the article back to before the revision was made?
- Yes, I noticed the same thing. I'd support reverting it. 188.8.131.52 06:08, 27 June 2007 (UTC)Mattias
- Okay, since no one stated any objection, I've backed out those changes made on 23:40, 21 June 2007. 184.108.40.206 07:22, 3 July 2007 (UTC) Mattias
I think those exact times should be removed. They CAN NOT be exact, you can´t pinpoint the 6500000000 birth to one exact minute. This is just bullshit. I don´t know why the United States Census Bureau is doing this. The day alone should be enough (It probably is wrong, too).
how many is everyone?
i seem to remember a figure, and i'd like to find it again, of how many people have ever lived on earth. that's 6.5 billion plus all that have died. i suppose it's a silly cocktail-party-conversation kind of number that's mostly meaningless, especially when you get into the definition of human-do we count the neadertals? in any case, i wish i could find it; if anyone knows at least post here.
nearly 2 minutes later and never mind! it's under world population, around 106 trillion :) . 220.127.116.11 21:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
The population of India and China
Opening sentence is awkward
The intro is currently:
- In sociology and biology a population is the collection of people or individuals of a particular species. A population shares a particular characteristic of interest most often that of living in a given geographic area. In taxonomy population is a low-level taxonomic rank.
The first sentence is awkward. I suggest:
- A population is a collection of individuals that share a particular characteristic of interest, most often that of living in a given geographic area. In biology a population is a collection of individuals of a particular species. In sociology a population is a collection of people. In taxonomy population is a low-level taxonomic rank.
- Presently it reads
- In sociology and biology a population is the collection of inter-breeding organisms of a particular species.
- While the definition is technically correct for sociology, the term almost always refers to human beings and not other "interbreeding organisms." I suppose sociologists might refer to domesticated animals, but organisms seems much too broad a term. Cuvtixo (talk) 16:07, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
The chart described as "Time taken for each billion people to be added to the world's population" doesn't seem to make sense. It indicates that 123 years passed between 1800 and 1930 and that 33 years passed between 1930 and 1960. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 07:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
- This has to do what years estimates were made. World War I and II, for example, depopulated areas of the world quickly. Census figures for various years need to be taken into account, and these weren't always made at regular intervals. Cuvtixo (talk) 17:07, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I am removing the lead 'In biology', which only seems to make the intro awkward as discussed here, and is an unnecessary precursor. As discussed in Talk:Evolution, these 'In ______' precursors are only necessary when differentiating them from when the word is often used in a different context. Furthermore, it implies that this term is only used in biology, which it is not. DanEdmonds (talk) 16:01, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
population pryamid of canberra ACT australia
hi everyone. i really need to find the most recent population pyramid for canberra ACT australia asap. if you know the numbers, or a website or even have one to send that would be great. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 07:08, 22 September 2008 (UTC) kevin mckay 282-8387
panget naman joke
Populations, land area, and population density
"In the future, world population has been expected to reach a peak of growth, from there it will decline due to economic reasons, health concerns, land exhaustion and environmental hazards. There is around an 85% chance that the world's population will stop growing before the end of the century. There is a 60% probability that the world's population will not exceed 10 billion people before 2100, and around a 15% probability that the world's population at the end of the century will be lower than it is today. For different regions, the date and size of the peak population will vary considerably."
I don't like this part, in my opinion it should be made clearer who says this and that it's just an estimate. Maybe even be more specific in the text on what the estimates are based since technological progress and diseases have had such a huge impact during the last few centuries. --LM 2010-01-02. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 09:34, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
2nd sentence is bizarre
"Individuals within a population share a factor may be reduced by statistical means, but such a generalization may be too vague to imply anything."
(What the hell?)
--Tyranny Sue (talk) 06:03, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Suggest to re-title the topic to....
The topic of human population management is being re- hilighted here again....
due to the mis-management of the site by the wiki-admin
removing the population control sections?
"Population" is a concept looked at from many different angles: population dynamics, population distribution and population control are only 3 of many options. Yet the latter is treated in this page very substantially. Although this is a notable subject for its own article (and it has), I think in this page to give due weight to all concepts, we should either
- treat more population related concepts (in short single paragraph texts) and bring the two population control paragraphs currently in this article down to that size
- remove the population control input here completely
- Agreed the stuff was very poorly organized. But that is absolutely not an acceptable motive for removing it. Of course population control is related to population. Your edit was destructive. It didn't even leave a see also link to Human population control. The useful stuff should of course be moved, rather than destroyed. Please do not destroy more in Wikipedia! I have made the obvious reparations. --Ettrig (talk) 17:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Why are all the pics of Taiwan? There are a wider range of places than that... [[brimstone]herris
- which Taiwanese pictures did you see here? I didn't see any!L.tak (talk) 17:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Lets split the article
The article refers to human population. We should split it into "Population (biology)" and into "Population". First paragraph is about population in biology. Teilolondon (talk) 08:42, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
population growth has slowed but this page says the opposite
I noted that this page says "The last 50 years have seen a yet more rapid increase in the rate of population growth". However, this is not true. As can be seen here http://gsociology.icaap.org/report/demsum.html population growth has been slowing in the last 50 years. The wiki page should be changed. Citingsources (talk) 03:59, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
section describing forecasted population growth is direct quote from source
There is a problem with the section that says "There is around an 85% chance that the world's population will stop growing before the end of the 21st century. There is a 60% probability that the world's population will not exceed 10 billion people before 2100, and around a 15% probability that the world's population at the end of the century will be lower than it is today. For different regions, the date and size of the peak population will vary considerably."
This is a direct quote from an article in Nature. Right now, a direct quote without saying it is a direct quote, is plagiarism. I'm going to fix it so it's a summary. Also, the first part, cited as coming from 11, is actually a report about the story published in nature. I'm going to fix that too, so they both use the Nature article as the source. Citingsources (talk) 19:35, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Bias towards human population
I'm pretty new to this (as contributor, not user), but it seems to me that this article has drifted so far off the general topic that, apart from the opening para, it can barely be considered to cover the general concept of Population. Almost all of the information in the article relates to human population, covered much better in the article 'World Population', and in that sense one might as well delete this article entirely as an (inferior) duplication.
'Population' is a broad concept in biology and sociology (and statistics, though arguably that shouldn't be conflated), and I believe this article should reflect that. Looking back (5 years or so!), there used to be sections on population dynamics, population ecology etc. which have been removed, leaving a very narrow view of what we mean by the term population. I agree with previous contributors who suggested we should reduce the sections on world human population, (human) population growth, (human) population control etc. to brief summaries (linking to the respective main articles), and add many more sections to round out this topic.
Would take a major re-write, so thought we should discuss rather than me attempting a hatchet job - maybe I'm biased myself, coming from an ecology angle - would appreciate anyone's thoughts --PondBob (talk) 14:11, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Section: world human population
DEFINATION OF POPULATION All members of species living in an area DEFINATION OF COMMUNITY Populations living and intrecting in an area
DEFINATION OF POPULATION All members of species living in an area DEFINATION OF COMMUNITY Populations living and intrecting in an area