Talk:Porsche

Separate article for motor racing activities?

I propose that the "Auto racing" section of this article be split out into a separate article (called "Porsche (racing)" or "Porsche (motorsport)" or something like that) and that racing-related links to this article should link to the new article instead, in similar fashion to Mercedes-Benz motorsport, BMW Motorsport, Alfa Corse, Renault Sport, etc. Thoughts? DH85868993 07:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely. There's enough to talk about Porsche motorsport to fill up 10 articles. --Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 06:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

OK then, what's the preferred name for the new article: "Porsche motorsport" (like Mercedes motorsport), "Porsche in motorsport" (like Alfa Romeo in motorsport), "Porsche (motorsport)", "Porsche (racing)" or something else? -- DH85868993 17:00, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

"x motorsport" doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I much prefer "x in motorsport", sounds like the title of an article instead of the name of a company like BMW Motorsport does. Recury 17:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

(copied from WP:Motorsport discussion page): I think that the emerging convention is to go with Porsche motorsport. A la Mercedes motorsport. Otherwise, I would have gone with (name of company) motorsport history, though. Adrian M. H. 17:27, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Porsche motorsport makes the most sense to me (although it's probably different for each person). Porsche in motorsport sounds a little clunky to me, but it's not so bad. I don't really like the idea of using parenthesis; it just doesn't look right. Whatever it's called, I'm looking forward to the article!

Also, should the navbox have the pure competition cars split into their own section, or even a separate box for them?--Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 01:42, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree that this needs a new article. As for the naming, I would avoid parantheses at all costs, they look clumsy and aren't either correct or descriptive. I would support either Porsche motorsport history or Porsche in motorsport. There is another method as well, as most factory entries prior to widespread sponsorship, in single-seater and sports car categories, were under the Porsche System or Porsche System Engineering banner, which would be in line with BMW Motorsport or Renault Sport, but perhaps doesn't give enough room for icluding the many many privateer and semi-works Porsche entries. As I say, just a thought, but I thought I'd raise it just so we can probably agree not to go that way. Pyrope 11:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'll probably go with "Porsche in motorsport" then. Initially I was leaning towards "Porsche motorsport history" but then it occurred to me that the word "history" might suggest to people that the article only contains past motorsport involvement and not current activities. DH85868993 14:21, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me, and it seems to be at least OK for everyone. --Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 21:27, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Seems like sound reasoning, I'll go with that. Pyrope 11:42, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Block anonymous edits?

The article seems to have been suffering a lot of anonymous vandalism recently. Anyone think it should be locked against anonymous editing? Stephen Hui 00:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

No more than most other pages get on any random day. I would have to say "no, not in my opinion". ju66l3r 04:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Still have the same opinion? Of the last fifteen edits, eleven (73%) have been vandalism or vandalism cleanup, and only four were legitimate. This is a much higher vandalism rate than any of the fifty other pages on my watchlist. Stephen Hui 20:09, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Its fine now. It was all one sockpuppeter and I believe his IP got banned so we shouldn't get anymore vandalism here. -I?WSÐg? 22:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Design of La Cie computer hard drive

La Cie hard drive manufacturers claim their design is made by Porsche GmbH. However there is no reference in this article to that. Is this claim valid? Hassanfarooqi 17:44, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

The company that they are referring to is Porsche Design Group, a wholly owned subsidiary of the vehicle manufacturer, but a separate entity nontheless. I'll add a disambiguation link to that effect. Pyrope 11:34, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

North American sales charts

Is this information really worthy of inclusion? It seems a bit North American-centric (i.e. why no sales figures for Europe, Asia, etc). Especially when you consider if needs to be updated every month. Just my 2c. -- DH85868993 10:19, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

It might be interesting to include the percentages (over a period of a year or two) of NA vs Europe vs others, but we certainly don't need a monthly update of only NA. --Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 23:05, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect plant name

The plant in Bratislava has nothing to do with Skoda - it's built and owned by Volkswagen. Skoda doesn't have any plants in Slovakia, although it is also owned by Volkswagen. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.6.59.74 (talk) 13:54, 12 April 2007 (UTC).

Collectors list should be reinserted

Famous collectors

• Miles Collier, Jr. - grandson to Barron Collier, purchased the renowned seventy-one car collection of Briggs Cunningham and combined some of the collection with his own, that includes about twenty Porsche race cars—including their class winners at Sebring, the Porsche 904GT in 1964 and Porsche 917K (Kurzheck) in 1970—when he created a museum dedicated to his father Miles, and uncles, Sam and Barron Jr., who founded the 1933 Automobile Racing Club of America that metamorphosed in 1944 into the Sports Car Club of America
• James Dean - died on the way to a hospital after a crash in his silver Porsche 550 Spyder, caused when he was cut off by another driver, in September 1955 near Cholame, California
• Bill Gates - was briefly jailed in Albuquerque for racing his Porsche 911 in the New Mexico desert; imported a Porsche 959 which was impounded by U.S. Customs
• Richard Hammond - Top Gear co-presenter, owns two 911s and a 928
• Janis Joplin - owned a Porsche 356-C Cabriolet that was extravagantly and psychedelically painted for her by Dave Richards to match her public persona
• Steve McQueen - raced Porsche prototypes, owned a Porsche 356 Speedster, a Porsche 908, and a Porsche 917, and made a movie dedicated to the 24 Hours of Le Mans
• Carl Sagan - astronomer, astrobiologist, scientist, and a highly successful science popularizer—remembered for his articulate explanations of astronomical and cosmological research while commenting upon space exploration to the public—whose license plate bore the name of a moon of another planet in our solar system
• Jerry Seinfeld - rumored to own one of the largest collections of Porsche automobiles in the world
• Lake Underwood - Porsche's Quiet Giant —so named by Excellence magazine (a magazine covering everything Porsche)—has several historic Porsches among his collection

This list was removed, reinserted, and removed again. Many editors have contributed to this list and it stood in the article for a good length of time. Recently an editor removed it without any justification other than a personal choice. It was reinserted and another editor removed it. The explanation given by the second editor, Stephen Hui, was, ...this isn't appropriate content for an encyclopedia, and it violates WP:NOT#DIRECTORY -- I have gone to that article and do not see a parallel to the deleted data among the examples of what would be considered inappropriate using this rule. Unless there is further clarification, I would prefer to reinstate the section of the article again. Please conduct discussion here for consideration. 83d40m 00:33, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I think WP:NOT#DIRECTORY clearly speaks against the inclusion of this list in the main article. Specifically:

Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics such as (but not limited to) quotations, aphorisms, or persons (real or fictional). If you want to enter lists of quotations, put them into our sister project Wikiquote. Of course, there is nothing wrong with having lists if their entries are famous because they are associated with or significantly contributed to the list topic, for example Nixon's Enemies List.

The list is a list of famous people who also own Porsches, as opposed to people who are famous because they own Porsches. Perhaps the list could / should go into an article called "Famous Porsche drivers" or some such, but I don't see how it adds anything substantive to an article about Porsche itself. Stephen Hui 02:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

What would you think of a list that would include the big collections of of Porsche racecars and the drivers who piloted them in competition? I would think of the Cunningham collection which became part of the Collier collection and the drivers, Briggs Cunningham, Steve McQueen, and Lake Underwood -- keeping it related to Porsche and competition connections with the people who made it a significant racecar? Perhaps that would qualify under the "association or significant contribution to the list topic"? 83d40m 22:50, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect translation of "AG" changed

The correct translation of the German "AG" is public limited company (US: public company). This applies regardless of whether the shares are listed on a stock exchange or held in private hands. A shareholder may trade his shares as desired, i.e. with any member of the public. However the "public" does not refer to this, but rather that the company has an obligation to publish its annual financial statements.

Competitors

"Ferrari, on the other hand, competes more directly with firms such as Lamborghini, Bugatti, TVR and Aston Martin."

A Ferrari could not be considered a competitor to TVR. The most expensive TVR on sale at the moment costs c. £60000, Where as all Ferrari's cost well over £100000 in the UK. Ref: - [www.carpages.co.uk]

Nice as TVRs are, they're not in the same league. So, I'm gonna delete TVR from the Ferrari competitors sentance. Feel free to delete this edit, but you know I'm right. --86.130.130.18 23:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Why so confrontational?!? Stephen Hui 02:37, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

He may be confrontational, but he is right on that one. Squash Racket 17:36, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree as well, but being confrontational didn't make him any more right. Stephen Hui 23:34, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that's also true, just noticed the text is modified anyway, so we can move on. Squash Racket 05:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

TVR has gone out of business. A TVR is better compared to a Duesenberg, also out of business.209.29.82.64 10:50, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Someone forgot to tell TVR that they've gone out of business; unaware of this fact, they continue to build and sell cars. Stephen Hui 13:59, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Picture is not of a 930

I brought this up on a previous discussion page and it was ignored. The green 911 labelled as a "930" on this page is NOT a 930, it's a 964 Turbo, which was a generation newer than the 930, which Porsche discontinued in 1989. Either that or it's a 930 with a 964 body on it, in which case it still shouldn't be labelled as a 930 since it isn't really an example of a "proper" 930 with the original G-Series body. IS SOMEONE GOING TO FIX IT THIS TIME? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.134.172.23 (talk) 01:50, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Volkswagen

Did Porsche buy a controlling stake in VW? Geoman888 (talk) 13:23, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Auto racing section vandalised

Porsche also has a huge fanboy following, rivaled only by that of Ferrari with their all red wardrobes. These people will often claim such things as "PORSCHE'S ARE THE ULTIMATE RACING CARS" and masturbate furiously to that belief, often finishing on their own faces and cleaning up with a genuine Porsche shirt. What these window licking retards don't grasp is that making a claim such as this is very subjective as there are so many different types of racing. Is Porsche #1 in a series such as the Porsche Supercup? You bet they are. Yet how about in spec Miata? Haha touche! I could go on and on, but fact is that there is no ultimate race car or brand. Many are very good, this includes Porsche. This is a fact, then again many people with interior neons do not concern themselves with facts.

Is this appropiate for Wikipedia? I think this is vandalism, and therefore it should be deleted from the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.212.122.81 (talk) 20:17, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Having this section is a useful idea, but it doesn't explain the right way to pronounce it. It just gives all the wrong ways. It also seems to contradict its own source. The source points out that since it is a family name, it must be pronounced as the family would pronounce it, "PORSH-uh". But the article says "PORSH-eh [as a two syllable word]" and "porsh-uh" are both incorrect.

They do both agree that "porsh [as one syllable]" is incorrect.

The source also supplies an mp3 of several german pronunciations of german words used in english. Porsche is included, so is there any way we could use that part of the mp3 in the article? 99.247.211.44 (talk) 03:10, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Despite of having the section "Pronounciation", right at the beginning of the article it is stated that Porsche is pronounced /por-sh/. I'm no expert, but isn't this pronounciation that which is wrong, with the silent "e"? Also, the section "Pronounciation" should mention that pronounciation /por-sha/ which is also widely used, e.g. by Jeremy Clarkson of Top Gear, is incorrect as well. 141.35.141.190 (talk) 09:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

The pronounciation listed at the top of the article, pronounced /porsh-huh/ ^{(deprecated template)}, is most certainly not correct; it uses an IPA transcription template for a pronounciation respelling. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the correct template for the pronounciation respelling is POR-shə. The other 2 templates, IPA for the native German and the English pronounciation, respectively, should be German pronunciation: [ˈpɔɐˌʃə] and English pronunciation: /ˈpɔrˌʃə/. Conquerist (talk) 11:08, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm not that familiar with IPA but here you can listen to on how people from different countries are pronouncing Porsche.--The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 21:55, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Stick to the facts, please

Some plans have been announced today. None of these plans have been put into practice yet, and the plans may still change in the near future. Please do not edit the article based on your predictions of what will happen. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball... By the way, I would have no problem with mentioning these new VW plans, as long as they're treated as plans, not as things that have already happened. 217.149.210.16 (talk) 20:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Porsche / Volkswagen relationship

For the time being Porsche Automobil Holding SE own more than 50% of the shares of the Volkswagen Group. This is discussed in more detail at Talk:Automotive industry#Porsche / Volkswagen naming. -- de Facto (talk). 13:56, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Garbled sentence in lead

"... is responsible and manufacturer of ..." is ungrammatical. I'd fix it but I'm not sure what it is trying to say. The obvious guess is " ... is responsible for the manufacture of ...", but it's already been stated that Porsche SE is the "manufacturer" of the cars, so it does not appear to make sense to then say that Porsche SG is the manufacturer.

This passage needs fixing in such a way as makes clear the distinction between SE and AG. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.152.244.109 (talk) 23:41, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Founding-Date

• in Overview: The company was founded as Dr. Ing. h. c. F. Porsche GmbH in 1931 by...
• in History: Ferdinand Porsche founded the company called "Dr. Ing. h. c. F. Porsche GmbH" in 1930
• so what? -- Hartmann Schedel ^Prost 10:50, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

25 April 1931 is the correct date. I will change it. Bjmullan (talk) 11:16, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

thank you, also for the fast reaction -- Hartmann Schedel ^Prost 11:24, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Panamera - a sedan?

'The latest model line, the four-door Panamera saloon (sedan), was launched on Monday, 20 April 2009.'

Isn't the Panamera a hatchback??--North wiki (talk) 15:01, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes. Letdorf (talk) 11:48, 9 August 2010 (UTC).

Look at the citations. They generally refer to the Panamera as a sedan/saloon (alternatively, four-door coupe or GT). No reference that I saw uses the term hatchback. Stick with the references. Alanraywiki (talk) 15:08, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Louise Piëch is dead

Hi. Louise Piëch is listed as a owner. But she died 11 years ago. She had four children, one called Louise, but surely it does not refer to her, would it? It says Louise Piëch and Porsche family. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 16:54, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Anti theft

I have read that as a security against theft, a Porsche is digitaly locked to 30kph when it leaves factory and that it need to be unlocked as it is taken in use. 83.254.79.110 (talk) 20:53, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

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