Definition of POST messages
There is a list of examples of beeps from some BIOSes. It should be enough to state that beeps are used, and then reference to other places, not to expand this article to cover all BIOSes.
- The "definition" of a "POST message" is merely "any means of communicating the result of a POST". Kernel.package (talk) 23:32, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- The term "POST" was used long before there were "computing devices" or "embedded devices". What a POST includes is specified as needed by whomever produces the given device. There is no such thing as a "standard" POST. Even a motherboard's POST is subject to whether or not the manufacturer wants to comply with the ATA spec or not, and whether or not it wants to be more robust. The term was used at least as early as the 1980s although design documents including the term (that I know of) were proprietary. So, POST existed long before computers became personal. Kernel.package (talk) 23:32, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
BIOS and POST mixture
The article currently mixes the responsibility between the BIOS and POST a lot. As I understand it, POST is a part of the BIOS. Everything not part of the POST should be cross referenced the the BIOS article instead?
- POST, if it exists as firmware and not as hardware, is part of BIOS. BIOS too, can be either firm or hard but is (usually, anyway) too crucial to be soft. FPGAs, and PLAs allow POST (and BIOS) to exist as hardware. Before either one existed state machines existed in hardware. Most implemented a power-on self test -- imagine trying to debug one of these things without knowing if the machine was able to provide reliable debug information. Kernel.package (talk) 23:37, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Containing a lot of false information and blaming on another editor.
So, umm, is the Happy Mac, Sad Mac symbols part of a POST operation (or equivalent)? If so, that deserves mention here. There is also a Sad Ipod message.
Has anyone else seen this? Look at this page; this is what I see.
The original IBM BIOS reported errors detected during POST by outputting a number to a fixed I/O port address, 80. Using a logic analyzer or a dedicated POST card, an interface card that shows port 80 output on a small display, a technician could determine the origin of the problem. (Note that once an operating system is running on the computer, the code displayed by such a board is often meaningless, since some OSes, e.g. Linux, use port 80 for I/O timing operations.) In later years, BIOS vendors used a sequence of beeps from the motherboard-attached loudspeaker to signal error codes. haha
I've checked the entire article's wiki code, as well as the raw HTML source, but I can't find "haha" anywhere.
IlliterateSage 00:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)