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Shinkenger[edit]

How the hell does the fact that it's claimed this will be closer to the Sentai than ever before, combined with images of the Samurai Rangers, the name 'Samurai', and 'kanji' not confirm Shinkenger? Or is this some other bullshit thing where the staff/crew aren't reliable resources? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.191.94.7 (talk) 00:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The reason this article is not referencing Shinkenger yet is because the show is still in production. We don't know how much Shinkenger is going to be in the show. Until the show is in post-production, we can't add the Shinkenger reference.--Mikeymike2001 (talk) 00:30, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So despite that fact that pictures from the official Power Rangers website, www.powerrangers.com, shows them in Shinkenger costumes, we can't say that its not based on Shinkenger? Rick lay95 (talk) 00:46, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

While the suits come from Shinkenger, we don't know how much storyline will be translated to PRS.--Mikeymike2001 (talk) 00:50, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There is currently a discussion about this at WP:No original research/Noticeboard#Power Rangers: Samurai‎ and Samurai Sentai Shinkenger‎. Powergate92Talk 01:05, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, that discussion is over. Rick lay95, what you have just done is original research. You are making the automatic connection between the content of Shinkenger and PRSamurai because you know Shinkenger existed. The fact that the official Power Rangers website has images which can be construed as being identical to the images found in Samurai Sentai Shinkenger may very well mean that Power Rangers: Samurai uses Shinkenger as its source material, but no one has made an official statement that says that the two are related. Until reliable sources come out saying that "Power Rangers: Samurai is based on the Japanese television series Samurai Sentai Shinkenger", then we here at Wikipedia cannot make that conclusion ourselves, no matter how obvious it may be.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:39, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
All we are saying is that they at least use the costumes. Thus something is based on Shinkenger. Why is this complicated? Sooner or later we will find that it is basted on Shinkenger and this who debate is moot. But whatever, its based on some aspect of Shinkenger and somehow we can't say it. I don't get it. Rick lay95 (talk) 02:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing regarding PRS and Shinkenger is verifiable. Making visual comparisons of the two costumes is original research. Until the ending credits roll, we here at Wikipedia should not and will not make any connection between the two shows. Once it gets officially stated, then we will make a mention of it.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:20, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We can SEE the costumes, they're put out there by SABAN ITSELF and visually are identical to Shinkenger. It is incredibly stupid to say we cannot say "the costumes are Shinkengers". It's not enforcing any standards, it's just being pedantic and deliberately keeping verifiable information (they are visually identifiable) off the article. What's the point of that?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Charles RB (talk • contribs)
Visual identification is not a reliable source and certainly not verifiable. Making a visual comparison is original research and is expressly forbidden.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:35, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So PowerRangers.com is not verifiable? Rick lay95 (talk) 02:32, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Does PowerRangers.com feature anything resembling the word "SHINKENGER" on it? I don't think it does. Comparing two images is WP:OR, even if it is pretty damn obvious that the two shows are related. Just because you and I can identify the costumes as being from Shinkenger does not mean that we here at the English Wikipedia are allowed to say that.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ryulong, the discussion at WP:No original research/Noticeboard is not over. Also, as I said at that discussion, WP:You don't need to cite that the sky is blue says "there is no need to verify statements that are patently obvious and generally accepted." It's obvious that Power Rangers: Samurai‎ uses the costumes from Samurai Sentai Shinkenger and that fact is accepted by everyone but you. Powergate92Talk 02:54, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BLUE is not policy. WP:OR, WP:V, and WP:RS are. I am not denying that the shows are related. I'm just saying you are not allowed to say they are based on visual comparison.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:05, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There's now an official promo for Power Rangers on MarVista Entertainment website[1] that shows footage from Samurai Sentai Shinkenger‎ when talking about Power Rangers: Samurai. Powergate92Talk 22:16, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What part of "Until the words 'Shinkenger' appear in the ending credits of episode one" do you not understand?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:21, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It has been stated by people that went to Power Morphicon 2 that Tony Oliver has said that PRS WILL BE "very close to Shinkenger."PER JDF'D ON RANGERBOARD. As per that, it is esentially proven.Lordchaotic (talk) 18:26, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we cannot use "people that went to Power Morphicon 2" as a reliable source. It will only be officially proven when the title of "Shinkenger" appears in any sort of official statement from Bandai, or the first episode's credits. Whichever becomes available first.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 18:54, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ok well if the producer of the show isn't an official source, then you aren't. by the way there is NOT A COLON IN THE TITLELordchaotic (talk) 06:27, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We are not looking for official sources. We are looking for reliable sources. And on the colon thing: Deal with it.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:39, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Reliable sources need to be verifiable, as in, people can look them up. If the Power Morphicon interview was recorded and uploaded on the web, then maybe it might work. NotARealWord (talk) 12:53, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Read this: WP:COMMON - the way that's worded, common sense overrides WP:OR, meaning your argument is invalid. Have a nice day. :p Digifiend (talk) 21:31, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
WP:COMMON isn't policy.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:58, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
WP:COMMON says "Why isn't "use common sense" an official policy? It is. It's a friendlier restatement of Wikipedia:Ignore all rules". Powergate92Talk 22:04, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, WP:IAR, as I have been repeatedly told, is applied on a case by case basis. So why should we ignore WP:RS and WP:OR and do a visual comparison?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Saban's official website uses Shinkenger images, and MarVista uses Shinkenger footage. Why do they not count as reliable sources? They're public domain and can be checked by anyone, making them vertifiable. User:Charles RB 01:36 10 October 2010 (GMT)

As you can see from all of the above discussion, it is original research to say that the footage and images come from Shinkenger because they do not mention "Shinkenger". Until "Shinkenger" appears in any material in regards to this new season, then it's original research because it is not verifiable that it is Shinkenger. Just because you and I and everyone else knows it is, does not mean that that's enough to say so under Wikipedia's standards. The official website does not even have anything regards to Toei or any of the original copyright holders.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:45, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It is verifiable: anyone can check images of Shinkenger and verify they're exactly the same costumes as PR Samurai. Where do Wiki's standards say that doesn't count? Exact quotes would be nice so the debate could be put to bed if it turns up again (so far hardly anyone believes it's a violation). -- User:Charles RB 01:55, 10 October 2010 (GMT)
Read Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources, and Wikipedia:Verifiability to see why comparing two images is not good enough for Wikipedia, particularly when you making a conclusion about the two different images. Just because you and I can identify it as Shinkenger is not enough for Wikipedia's standards to say that this season will be based off of Shinkenger.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:19, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
WP:Identifying reliable sources doe's not say images and videos are not reliable sources, however it doe's say "audio, video, and multimedia materials that have been recorded then broadcast, distributed, or archived by a reputable third-party may also meet the necessary criteria to be considered reliable source. Like text sources, media sources must be produced by a reliable third-party and be properly cited. Additionally, an archived copy of the media must exist. It is useful but by no means necessary for the archived copy to be accessible via the Internet." And as it's common sense that Power Rangers: Samurai‎ uses the costumes and footage from Samurai Sentai Shinkenger, WP:SYNTHESIS can be ignore per WP:COMMON. Powergate92Talk 01:34, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
WP:COMMON isn't good enough when it's a visual comparison between the two damn images. It's still considered WP:SYN by making the comparison. It is not good enough. The English Wikipedia can wait for the ending credits, which has information that is more verifiable than comparing images from Shinkenger with those from the new PR.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:36, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not just talking about comparison between the two images, I'm also talking about comparison between footage. WP:COMMON says "Instead of following every rule, it is acceptable to use common sense as you go about editing. Being too wrapped up in rules can cause loss of perspective, so there are times when it is better to ignore a rule. Even if a contribution "violates" the precise wording of a rule, it might still be a good contribution." Again, it's common sense that Power Rangers: Samurai‎ uses the costumes and footage from Samurai Sentai Shinkenger, so it's better to ignore WP:SYNTHESIS in this case. Also, in a discussion at Talk:Power Rangers#Some info I think is original research you said this unsourced info "Rather than making an English dub of the original, the American production team put together a "new" production with English-speaking actors spliced in with the original Japanese footage in varying ratios. Due to the very Japanese nature of many of the Super Sentai Series' stories and design, the American shows vary detail to appeal to a Western audience." was "not original research" because "It is something that one uses their common sense to infer". Powergate92Talk 02:09, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comparing footage is the same thing. And it's better to err on the side of caution rather than ignore a known policy. It's not necessary to have the information in the article now. It can be added later because there's no deadline for Wikipedia. And as I have been told WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS isn't a valid argument in any debate. Stop ruleslawyering over this shit.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:11, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS is about "deletion discussions" this is not a deletion discussion, and it nothing to with this. Powergate92Talk 02:24, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You know, I'm just fucking tired of dealing with you and your wikilawyering. The edit notice has been deleted and the information has been added to the article.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:28, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Colon[edit]

Why is there a Colon in all the Power Rangers wiki entries? They have never been used in any type of promotional or any material at all. I'm surprised its been like that for so long.Sdphost (talk) 21:51, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Because it separates the title ("Power Rangers") from the subtitle (e.g. "Samurai"). It has appeared on and off in promotional material, and to satisfy the fact that we use proper grammar at the English Wikipedia, it's included.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:55, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have citation on where it has appeared with a colon? if not it is not part of the title regardless of whatever grammar rule you may want to.Sdphost (talk) 02:06, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There have been endless discussions on this and we are not cowtowing to RangerBoard's ideas of what is and is not the title of this show or any other show. It's a grammatical rule and we're following it. We've proven time and time again that Saban and Disney have not been consistent, so we here at Wikipedia have decided to be consistent with the standard grammatical rules. We had a fine discussion on this earlier in the year.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:07, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ryulong, WP:Article titles#Common names says "Articles are normally titled using the name which is most commonly used to refer to the subject of the article in English-language reliable sources." and "Common usage in reliable sources is preferred to technically correct but rarer forms, whether the official name, the scientific name, the birth name, the original name or the trademarked name." All reliable sources says the title is "Power Rangers Samurai" with no colon and I don't see any Wikipedia policy that says the article title should have a colon. So, unless you can find a Wikipedia policy that says the article title should have a colon, the article should have title "Power Rangers Samurai" as that's what reliable sources say the title is. Powergate92Talk 02:43, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There's another thing: consistency. An older official source referred to the show as "Power Rangers: SAMURAI" (the official website). Now, the official website does not use "Power Rangers: Samurai" or "Power Rangers Samurai" to refer to the show. And we are not going to retroactively rename fifty pages just because one show appears to have a different title than the others and doesn't fit with the standards of English grammar, regardless of what the common name may be in some reliable sources, which is what Sdphost and every other RangerBoard user wants. I've learned the hard way that regardless of what the official title of something may be, Wikipedia has rules and regulations that forbid its use. There is nothing to say that Power Rangers should be treated anything special, just because a bunch of fans think that we are sullying the name of their favorite show by using a punctuation mark that is in standard English.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:54, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
powerrangers.com never referred to the show as "Power Rangers: SAMURAI" it has always referred to the show as "SAMURAI | 2011". What "rules and regulations that forbid its use"? Also, what do you mean "regardless of what the common name may be in some reliable sources", all reliable sources I seen show the title as "Power Rangers Samurai". So again, unless you can find a Wikipedia policy that says the article title should have a colon, the article should have the title "Power Rangers Samurai" per WP:Article titles#Common names as that's what reliable sources say the title is Powergate92Talk 03:18, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Then how come our reference from September 22 has "Power Rangers: SAMURAI" as the page title? And this page, and certainly not the other 50 pages, is not moving just because you have suddenly discovered a new policy because we have RangerBoarders whining more loudly than usual. The reliable sources use bad grammar.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:20, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's because I was thinking "Power Rangers: SAMURAI" looks better then "SAMURAI | 2011" as the reference title. The reliable sources are not using bad grammar, they're most likely using the title they were given by Saban. Unless you can find a Wikipedia policy that says otherwise, the article should have the title "Power Rangers Samurai" per WP:Article titles#Common names. Powergate92Talk 03:35, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you shouldn't have put that in the reference. And there is no policy but we've had multiple consensuses that state that the colon is staying. Four months later is not going to change that, particularly because WP:Article titles#Common names is not always adhered to. And above the "common name" section is something that says the following:

Consistency – titles which follow the same pattern as those of similar articles are often preferred. Many of these patterns are documented in the naming guidelines listed in the Specific-topic guidelines box above, and ideally indicate titles that are in accordance with the principal criteria above.

—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:39, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You have yet to provide citation for PR titles using colons, a bit hypocritical you need 100% proof for Samurai to use shinkenger footage but you can do what you want with this, and I am not a 'rangerboarder'. Sdphost (talk) 14:54, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There were various sources brought up every other time that this was argued. Some sources use the colon. Some do not, and this is for all of the Power Rangers seasons/series. To avoid having some pages at one title and some pages at another, we have them all at one title because it's proper fucking grammar. That doesn't need reliable sources.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 18:18, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How convenient for you, I guess we need to go to all other wiki pages that have incorrect grammar as titles, who cares if thats the actual title. I have never seen an official source use colons and when I have seen it it is usually a mistake from a news source that doesn't know otherwise. Seriously why do you keep avoiding citing it, if I see some consistency I'd stop complaining about it.Sdphost (talk) 18:27, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Colon, another colon (can't find the link for the press release atm), no colon, no colon, colon, colon, colon, etc. No one has been consistent with their usage, but consistency in article titles is better for the project than saying "Oh, this one should have a different name because we can't find anything that uses this particular version of the name". And how the hell do you know if it's a mistake on the press's part?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 18:36, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
All the disney links you say have colons are dead links. Powergate92Talk 22:01, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just read this and this.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:03, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Consensus can change. Powergate92Talk 22:12, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The arguments for and against are the same, so I don't see how consensus is going to change, aside from the fact you are a stickler for policy and can't see that including the colon isn't going to make the project look bad, aside from the whining of a bunch of manchildren.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:13, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So your citation consists of broken links and one link that leads to a saturday morning block which are known to make stupid mistakes with titles and synopsis? Like I said its consistently put without colons only the rare an occasion when its people not familiar/part of the franchise that may report it with colons. I'm not even trying to change your opinion in naming that its based on Shinkenger even though Wikipedia states to use common sense in articles WP:common, I am not impatient that I need to have "ITS BASED ON SHINKENGER" if the show hasn't actually aired yet but the colons have to go. Sdphost (talk) 23:31, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
They're broken now, but they weren't four years ago. And the other sources are still official, no matter what you may think is correct or incorrect about the TV block. The arguments made in the older discussions still stand. Neither Disney nor Saban nor Bandai have been consistent with whether or not the colon belongs there. To avoid this disparity, it was decided on Wikipedia long before I began editing, that the colon was supposed to be used. The only times these pages were moved were because of direct RangerBoard influence. The page titles are fine where they are now, and certainly you shouldn't edit pages to make a point.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:11, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Again, Consensus can change and WP:Article titles#Common names says we should use the title that is "most commonly used to refer to the subject of the article in English-language reliable sources." Powergate92Talk 00:21, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We only have one source that even refers to the show by its name as "Power Rangers Samurai". That should not dictate that it is the "most commonly used..." name. And by your argument, we're still going to have to move all of the other bloody Power Rangers pages. Consistency is more important than a "common name".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:23, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here's 2 more sources that refer to the show as "Power Rangers Samurai" [2][3] and we still have no sources that refer to the show as "Power Rangers: Samurai". Powergate92Talk 00:35, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Again, they're not going to be out there. But for the sake of consistency, it does not hurt Wikipedia to put the colon after the word "Rangers". It only hurts the feelings of the fans.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:37, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was asked to comment on this; I would suggest to drop the colon. According to the official PR site, http://powerrangers.com/, and a press release that was issued by the IP holder Saban at http://www.kidscreen.com/articles/news/20100922/powerrangerssaban.html, the colon is never used when mentioning the show. I am not sure what else is needed, but I think it is safe for this franchise/series, drop the colon. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 01:10, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, let's move every fucking page then, rather than dealing with a case by case basis.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:14, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reversal[edit]

Based on recent events and unrepentant trolling on my user talk page, I believe it is time to reverse this consensus. The constant arguments of "OH IT'S NEVER FEATURED THIS WAY IN RELIABLE SOURCES" is entirely bullshit because I have never seen a colon utilized in any reliable source (read press releases) to indicate a subtitle. The fandom's insistance that a common typographic aspect of modern English grammar is non-existant in the names of the media is nonsensical, and it is mostly based on the fact that their influence appears to pervade any sources that we can use outside of the press releases which have never been consistent in how to format these. The fact that some idiot has decided to waste his time in making five separate accounts (DinoThunderColon (talk · contribs), LightspeedRescueColon (talk · contribs), ZeoColon (talk · contribs), WildForceColon (talk · contribs), OperationOverdriveColon (talk · contribs)) in order to troll me by saying "Ha ha, we got our way and there's nothing you can do about it" is the last straw.

Every single Power Rangers page except for those relating to Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, Mighty Morphin Alien Rangers, and Power Rangers in Space should be moved such that the words "Power Rangers" are followed by a colon (:) before the subtitles "Zeo", "Turbo", "Lost Galaxy", "Lightspeed Rescue", "Time Force", "Wild Force", "Ninja Storm", "Dino Thunder", "S.P.D.", "Mystic Force", "Operation Overdrive", "Jungle Fury", "RPM", and now "Samurai". Reliable sources never determine what the name is stylized as on Wikipedia, and the use or non-use of a punctuation mark is not what WP:COMMONNAME was meant to deal with. All articles and categories should be renamed to reflect this and honestly no one outside of RangerBoard gives a crap about the colon's nonusage and they should not influence how Wikipedia is run.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:21, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Someone keeps vandalizing your talk page is not a reason to reverse a consensus. Also, if "Reliable sources never determine what the name is stylized as on Wikipedia" then articles like Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis would have colons. Powergate92Talk 00:04, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Fine. Reliable sources determined the stylization there. But Power Rangers never seems to be treated that way. Syfy has "Stargate Atlantis" and "Stargate SG-1" in text everywhere. The fact of the matter is that for the past however many years, Wikipedia used one formatting. And suddenly, because the fans believe that using a colon makes in inaccurate, they have to come forward and act like they were right all along and be asses. Wikipedia needs to be consistent and independent from the incoherent ramblings of a fan community. One press release copied ad infinitum should not be what determines the common name.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:14, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If you would like an opinion of someone who's not a fan of the show you could request a WP:Third opinion. Powergate92Talk 00:34, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Bad refs"[edit]

For future reference, what counts as a good or bad ref? Two that have been removed were a link to Saban's promo trailer at Yahoo! Kids (a legit site) and a link to the official Facebook page showing a photo of the Thanksgiving Parade; I assumed both of those would be primary sources, as they're official material put out by Saban. -Charles RB, 06.26, 28 November 2010 (GMT)

Facebook should not be used as a reliable source, and neither should a random video on Yahoo!'s website. We do not need to source that the video exists, just to provide a link to said video. However, an actual news report on the Power Rangers float in the parade would be useful.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:31, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Facebook doesn't count as a reliable source when it's Saban's own official page, linked to by their website, showing clear photographic evidence? —Charles RB) 20:21, 28 November 2010 (GMT)
No, it doesn't.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:11, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Country of Origin[edit]

I don't remember where it was stated, but wasn't it stated that the show would still be filmed in New Zealand? --Shadow (talk) 20:47, 26 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's an American production.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:48, 26 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it always has been. I'm talking about the actual filming, not the production as a whole. --Shadow (talk) 22:35, 26 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"USA" is still the country of origin.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:36, 26 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I know that. That's not my point. We've listed Ninja Storm - RPM as US and New Zealand because they are filmed in New Zealand and produced for the US. I'm wondering about where Samurai is being filmed because it doesn't list New Zealand and I'm sure some sources said it was still being filmed in New Zealand. --Shadow (talk) 22:49, 26 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, we just have to find a reliable source that says it's being filmed there.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:57, 26 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

18 or 19[edit]

Which is it so we can stop fucking edit warring?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:39, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Are swear words your only vocabulary? As I said in the comments. Count: MMPR1, MMPR2, MMPR3, Zeo, Turbo, in Space, LG, LR, TF, WF, NS, DT, SPD, MF, OO, JF, RPM, and now Samurai, that's 18. It's as simple as that really. --Shadow (talk) 05:42, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Saban is counting the MMPR episodes that aired last year as season 18. SO it's MMPR1, 2, 3, PRZ, PRT, PRiS, PRLG, PRLR, PRTF, PRWF, PRNS, PRDT, PRSPD, PRMF, PROO, PRJF, PRRPM, MMPR(R), PRS according to some counts.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:43, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Says who? I have yet to see anyone but Nick say this is Season 19 and even if Saban counted it as the 18th season, it's wrong. Re-airing old episodes isn't a new season. --Shadow (talk) 05:47, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If reliable sources say that this is the 19th season, then that is what we say. Wikipedia can only report on what has been said. Just because you think it's wrong does not mean we can use you as the basis of the information.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:53, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The press release from Nickelodeon, a tweet on the official Power Rangers twitter page, and a a job ad from Saban Brands on CareerBuilder all say "19th season" and "nineteenth season". Powergate92Talk 05:54, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I was going to link this as well.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:56, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not trying to sound like a know it all but no matter how much Saban calls it that, old episodes can't be a new season. However, they obviously think that's acceptable, so we should at least say it's the 18th regular season and 19th overall since both would be true. --Shadow (talk) 20:59, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
2011 marks the 19th year Power Rangers is on TV. Therefore, according to the production company, that makes Samurai the 19th season, regardless of what fanboys like you want it to be.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:03, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I'm the fanboy here. Please, you act like you run this portion of the site. I'm not acting like one, I'm trying to make sure it's right. What is your problem? I offer a compromise and you insult me. Stop acting like a Nazi on the Power Rangers section or do you have no outside life? A year on the air doesn't equal a season, not matter what Saban wants to think, that's not me being a fanboy, it's the truth. In that case Friends is on it's 17th season when it's clearly not, dumb example. What I said is true. 18th regular season, 19th total. Learn how to compromise for once in your life. --Shadow (talk) 21:11, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I would compromise, but in this case you are completely wrong. Powergate and I are using reliable sources that state that last year's MMPR airing was counted as the 18th season and Samurai is the 19th. You are the one who is violating Wikipedia rules here.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:42, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No I am not completely wrong. Yeah, both of those sources say 19th season, and I agreed (more like don't care anymore) to keep that in there, but no matter what Saban wants to say, a new season is new episodes, not slightly re-worked old episodes, that isn't wrong at all. Therefore even if they count it as the 19th season, this is still the 18th regular season of new episodes while the 19th overall. That is not wrong. --Shadow (talk) 22:04, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, they're counting it as a separate season and there's nothing you can do about it because the English Wikipedia operates on what can be backed up, not what you have in your head. MMPR2010 is season 18 and PRS is season 19 and there is a footnote explaining that on multiple pages. End of discussion.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:18, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Here we go again, you acting like the Nazi who rules over Power Rangers. How sad. It's not in my head, it's what a new television season is, I'm not making them up. Whatever, have YOUR articles how you feel your majesty. --Shadow (talk) 23:25, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I know that you think that the MMPR reversion was not a new season. But the reliable sources say they do. So we have to call this the 19th season.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:16, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Re-versioning article says "A relatively recent phenomenon in television production, re-versioning (also known as reversioning or revisioning) is the process of re-releasing an existing production or an entire series, updated in some form, as a "new" show." So a re-version is a new season not reruns and official reliable sources say Samurai is the 19th season. Saying in the article Samurai is the 18th season just because you think it's the 18th season is original research. Powergate92Talk 23:57, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
How many times do I honestly need to say it's the 19th. I've already said it two or three times so leave it alone already. And no, I wasn't doing original research, I was going by what has always been considered a season, there's a difference. Enough, I already said I don't even care anymore, you can stop beating the dead horse. --Shadow (talk) 00:08, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

the official facebook page calls Samurai "Season 18", and any real Power Rangers fan knows its the 18th season. also, Saban itself hasn't said its a 19th season, it could have been a miscalc in the article you read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.45.20.237 (talk) 00:38, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Saban has said Samurai is the "19th season" in a press release on their website, in a tweet on the official Power Rangers twitter page, and in a a job ad on CareerBuilder. Powergate92Talk 04:48, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's obvious that many of you have misinterpreted the information from your "reliable sources." The term "season" has nothing to do with the actual episodes of a show, but rather the length of time that a series has been on the air. When Saban and Nicelodeon refer to "Samurai" as the 19th season, they're referring to the fact that it is the franchise's 19th year on air. Aside from MMPR (which was on air for 3 consecutive seasons), each of the Power Rangers incarnations are effectively considered as spin-offs, and therefore are NOT "seasons" of a show, but rather "series" within the franchise. Therefore, there have only technically been 16 incarnations of the show (the 3 seasons and re-airing of the first series count as 1) and this article should actually state something to the effect of "Samurai" being the 16th series and 19th season in the franchise. (The correct order is demonstrated here). Zargabaath 18:02, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
The issue is that no one wants to count last year's MMPR travesty as a season.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 18:07, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Zargabaath, this is the 18th year on the air not 19th, Power Rangers started in 1993 not 1992. Powergate92Talk 19:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
93-94, 94-95, 95-96, 96-97, 97-98, 98-99, 99-00, 00-01, 01-02, 02-03, 03-04, 04-05, 05-06, 06-07, 07-08, 08-09, 09-10, 10-11, 11-. That's 19 years.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 19:55, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perhaps we are all missing the obvious: Alien Rangers is being counted. That being the case, Samurai is 19th. Makes more sense to me to count Alien Rangers as a season than "remastering" of MMRP Season for. Further more, dose the "remastering" of Star Trek seasons 1, 2, and 3 count torwards three more seasons of the show? I think not. Rick lay95 (talk) 05:01, 21 February 2011 (UTC)rick_lay95[reply]
    Whatever it is, they call it season 19 and so should we.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:11, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
MMPR 2010 is a "re-versioning" not a "remastering" there is a difference, re-versioning is "the process of re-releasing an existing production or an entire series, updated in some form, as a "new" show" remastering is "generally implies quality enhancement of sound and/or picture to a previously existing recording". Powergate92Talk 05:17, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's season 18 (and Super Samurai season 19). Saban's been marketing Megaforce as season 20, therefore indicating that MMPRv2 no longer counts as a separate season.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.77.75.227 (talk • contribs)

This needs a source.—Ryulong (竜龙) 23:32, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Air Dates and Channels[edit]

Can some one put them up please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.71.96.98 (talk) 17:47, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Two years??[edit]

Hang on a sec. If Samurai will go for two years, this will probably mean that they'll skip Goseigers. MusicTechie (talk) 21:03, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think they might take Goseiger and use it like Dairanger and Kakuranger.--Mikeymike2001 (talk) 21:05, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
But how exactly will they incorporate an angel theme into samurai? I find it kind of hard to imagine, since they'll have to bring in the villains from Goseigers, too. MusicTechie (talk) 21:19, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Only a Variety article ever said two years (other sources have said two seasons, but two 20 episode seasons in a calendar year is not impossible). Variety is not what I'd call a reliable source, since it can't be backed up. We have no reason to believe Goseiger will be skipped, and it's irrelevant to this article in any case, since the simple fact is, we don't know the airdates yet for episode 14 of Samurai onwards. Digifiend (talk) 23:35, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Canadian premiere[edit]

It was May 7th, not Feb.11th Mrzisawesome (talk) 19:12, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a source?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 19:12, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Asiaking47, 29 August 2011[edit]

I would like to change the number of episodes of the page.Whoever created the page put 40 instead of 16

Asiaking47 (talk) 20:21, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We have sources that say that there are going to be 40 episodes total. Only 16 have aired. No change is going to be made.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:56, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Super Samurai?[edit]

This may just be me but how do we really know that the last batch of episodes will be called "Power Rangers Super Samurai"? It just lists a licensing page as a source (not a link), so why is it being assumed that the season will be called that rather than them just trademarking the name "Super Samurai" for use in the show? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.112.173.254 (talk) 18:02, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A Nickelodeon trailer confirmed this yesterday, it was posted on the official Power Rangers Facebook page and Youtube account. If licencing info isn't enough proof, that trailer should be. Digifiend (talk) 18:31, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
We're not making a separate page on "Super Samurai" though.—Ryulong (竜龙) 19:56, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, "Super Samurai" shouldn't get a seperate main page since it is a direct continuation of "Samurai", similar to "MMPR" seasons 1-3 & re-version. It should, however, get its "Super Samurai" logo included onto the main "Samurai" page (similar to how the "MMPR re-version" logo is included on the "MMPR" page just below the original "MMPR" logo). It should also get its own episode list page seperate from the "Samurai" episode list page. The official 2012 press release from Saban Brands/Nickelodeon is out and is officially calling "Super Samurai" season 20",[1] where as "Samurai" was considered season 19 in the 2011 press release.172.162.106.134 (talk) 20:40, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It will be taken into account shortly.—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:47, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.bizjournals.com/prnewswire/press_releases/2012/01/30/LA44036

Ranger Red[edit]

He was voiced by Tobias Reiss not Eka Darville thats what the credits say and Eka has made no statement acknowledging that it is an alternate name — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.6.21 (talk) 20:07, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to make this mass move Mike Cline (talk) 21:20, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]


– There are other pages that should be included, but there's only a 30 page limit:

There are also several categories that will need to be taken care of, but that's another process that can be taken care of later

A year ago, I acquiesced to a series of people who believed that the common name for all of these pages omits the colon following the phrase "Power Rangers" simply because it is not something that is seen in the logotype or in any of the fandom-made media, the latter of which don't qualify as reliable sources anyway. Based on the fact that these idiots don't give up, I believe we should move everything back. No one really seems to be covering these in extensive detail that would exactly bring about a WP:COMMONNAME qualifying title, I believe we should default to standard English grammar and styles that adds the colon to the end of the word "Rangers" in all of these article titles. The extremely small sample size from which to pick from should not define what we have the titles of these pages at. —Ryulong (竜龙) 00:19, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Writer/director/cast/voice listings[edit]

Mikeymike2001, Rylong.... why do you suddenly feel the need to take away from these listings and or remove them completely? Some I can understand, but deliberately taking away people who are listed in the opening credits? I don't know if you think you own these pages because you're a fan or what, but I've invested time and effort to add such things to the PR pages... Blakebs 8:14PM (CST)

Because it's too much fucking shit in the infobox. I've removed it from all of the other pages. No more "voices" in the infobox and limit the cast to just the Power Rangers.—Ryulong (竜龙) 02:16, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That's insane... at least add back the cast credits you took off... there's no reason not to include them, the rest can go but that is too much... What's next? removing Olivia Tennet from the RPM cast because she's not a ranger? nonsense... Maybe the writers, directors and voices were taking up space but actors who portray supporting cast that takes almost no room is removed? what is the logic behind that? 08:17, 9 February 2012
This is the infobox. It does not need to list everyone.—Ryulong (竜龙) 03:18, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Ryulong on this one, there are too many people to list in the infobox, so we should only list the main cast, main writers, main directors, and main voices, not people who are only in 1 episode. Also I don't see any main people removed from the infobox, so I don't know what you're talking about when you say "at least add back the cast credits you took off... there's no reason not to include them." Powergate92Talk 03:55, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also I would like to note that Template:Infobox television says for the writer parameter "Don't use if the show has many (5+) writers." Powergate92Talk 04:00, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rene Naufahu, Felix Ryan, Paul Schrier, Rick Medina you know, THEM... At least put them back. What if people don't want to scroll down the page to find who played what amongst the allies and villains? (the main people mind you, writers and directors getting removed is fine, alright? voices getting taken down is fine) Not everyone being listed is fine, I never said it wasn't alright? blakebs 11:58, 10 February 2012 (CST)

Seriously, it is ridiculous what Ryulong has done to the rest of the Power Rangers pages... Trimming off excessive info is one thing, but people who appeared in the opening credits? You could of just trimmed off everything else involving writers/directors/voices, but for some reason you felt the need to trim off everything possible. Four or five extra people, and yet you feel this is too much? Look, I don't want to argue with you, keep it the way you want, I just was voicing my opinion and I won't say anything else. Blakebs 12:20 10 February 2012 (CST)

We do not need to list everyone. The fact that you went in and added everyone who ever directed a single episode for that season or anyone who is not part of the central cast (the Power Rangers), as well as every single voice actor was too much. We won't be listing this much shit from now on. So deal with it.—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:58, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I never said we had to! Yes, we do not need to list everyone, but at least the actors who appear in the credits... Why is this so hard for you? The cast besides the Rangers is maybe three or four people, hardly too much info.... for instance, you took off Rene Naufahu out of the credits, yet you left Olivia Tennet on the RPM cast? Forget the writers, forget the directors, forget the voices, just leave the supporting cast in... The supporting cast has never been a problem in these pages before, why should it be now? I repeat, Supporting cast that appears in the opening credits should not be removed for no reason, people like Adelaide Kane, James Gaylyn, Rick Medina, Ron Rogge, Rene Naufahu should be listed. I don't want all that junk back on the infobox, alright? But at least put back the supporting cast man, there's no reason not too... Either way, these people should be credited for they're work. Also, most of the supporting cast were already there before I edited it. - Blakebs 03:17, 10 February 2012 (CST)
I believe the main cast, the supporting cast, and the main voices should be listed. I agree with Powergate92 on this one, and I apologize if I came off as rude, but I just believe the rest should have been left as is with just writers/directors/voices in every episode trimmed off on the numerous Power Rangers articles. Not to worry, I'll just stick to adding writers/directors to the episodes page. - Blakebs 03:46, 10 February 2012 (CST)
Fine. And please indent messages.—Ryulong (竜龙) 22:10, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ryulong, those people whom you remove from the infobox are credited in the intro and are therefore main cast whom should be listed in the infobox. Please do not remove again without discussion. Powergate92Talk 01:44, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's still too much damn content for the infobox. Just leave in the Rangers. We do not need to list people just because they are in the opening credit roll.—Ryulong (竜龙) 05:40, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
All other television pages have at least their credited opening stars in the infobox. I sense a bit of WP:OWN by certain editors, and didn't the TV Wikiproject guidelines say at least put those that have been credited in the opening shots in the infobox. It would be a direct violation of guidelines if so. 124.148.38.144 (talk) 05:44, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Such an accusation from someone who's never edited before. I cannot find anything in any of the documentation of WP:TV or WP:MOSTV that says anything about requirements about listing cast members in any form. It is simply easier to have a shorter infobox that does not include all of the people in the credits or all of the voice actors. Most of the crew being removed has been solved, but is it really necessary to have every actor in the opening credits in the infobox when we include their names in the prose? Either way, arguably the only main cast are the Power Rangers themselves, with everyone else in supporting roles to them.—Ryulong (竜龙) 05:53, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Why has this suddenly become such a big deal? You don't see sitcoms and or dramas that have missing cast members unless the cast is freakin huge, which the cast of Samurai is not. It is only four people, which takes up no room whatsoever in the infobox. Tell me Ryulong, do you exercise such control with all the articles you edit? Because this is beginning to border on obsession, and if you insist the only main cast are the Power Rangers, then I demand you remove Melody Perkins, Monica Louwerens, Ann Marie Crouch, Ilia Volok, Sin Wong, Katrina Browne, Katrina Devine, Grant McFarland, Michelle Langstone and Olivia Tennet from the infoboxes as well. I tried to be polite with you, I tried to tell you all I wanted was the supporting cast put back, I thought you agreed with me when you said fine, imagine my surprise when you continued to revert my edits. - Blakebs 12:20, 11 February 2012 (CST)
I think I have removed them from the infoboxes.—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:31, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No, no you have not I looked. - Blakebs 2:43, 11 February 2012 (CST)
As Blakebs said, most other TV show articles list people who you say are in "supporting roles" in the infobox. For example, in the Stargate SG-1 article Teryl Rothery is listed in the infobox because she was credited in the intro, and she only played a supporting role. I think there should be a WP:Consensus before you continue to revert. Also I would like to note, Ryulong, that you are in violation of WP:Edit warring and about to be in violation the three-revert rule. I think this edit warring should be stop until there is a consensus on who should and should not be listed in the infobox. Powergate92Talk 22:29, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Stop policing me, Powergate92. You do nothing to build these pages, anyway. And I have only removed the voice actors. It's too much at this point.—Ryulong (竜龙) 23:45, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No voice actors in the infobox is fine, since they're not credited in the intro anyway. Are we now agree that anyone who is credited in the intro should be listed in the infobox? As for me doing something to "build these pages," I add stuff to these articles, with sources, when there is something I know of that should be added. Powergate92Talk 00:13, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's time to change it to Season 18.[edit]

Recent press releases are confirming that Megaforce is the 20th season. As samurai and super samurai are two seperate seasons, that means Saban no longer considers the reversioning season 18.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.152.180.69 (talk • contribs)

Do you have a source for this?—Ryulong (竜龙) 23:32, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes we do. Forget the press releases, we have something better. The official Facebook page says that Samurai is season 18, and Super Samurai is 19. http://www.facebook.com/powerrangers/info Digifiend (talk) 00:18, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well I'd say that works, although we shouldn't have bare URLs as references or use Facebook as an inline citation.—Ryulong (竜龙) 00:37, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
While we're at it, Megaforce proof, same source: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=460719967289157&set=a.164014530293037.41164.152452064782617&type=3&theater Digifiend (talk) 00:45, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
We know it exists. There are decent references on Power Rangers. However we should not have a link yet because it is not yet notable on its own because we know nothing about it.—Ryulong (竜龙) 00:46, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Worldwide Broadcasts - Bulgarian Premiere[edit]

Hello people! As I can't edit the article on Samurai, please someone add the following info in the Broadcasts section:

Country: Bulgaria Channel Airing: Super 7 Premiere: 17th September 2012

First episode aired: "The Team Unites" I guess we too are getting the "Origins" two-parter as episodes 19 and 20.

Thanks! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.97.215.64 (talk) 17:23, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Distributor[edit]

Should we replace Saban Brands with Entertainment One in that box?Aresef (talk) 14:10, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Power Rangers Samurai Order[edit]

YouTube Official Power Rangers channel release Super Samurai in a different order. Including Clash of the Red Rangers in Season 19 along with Holiday Specials between episodes throughout the season instead of the end.

Should it be mentioned? Or is the order based on release order. Doremon764 (talk) 23:08, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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