Talk:Prepared piano

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Endnote for website reference[edit]

Whatever bot just substituted an endnote for a website reference, it is unnecessary and unnecessarily cumbersome. Badagnani 21:05, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

These bot changes were performed by a presumed sockpuppet bot of User:SEWilcoBot, named RefBot (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) - this bot did a few edits on 23/24 December 2005, after which it was permanently blocked.

The bot became operational a few hours after SEWilco(Bot) was forbidden to do such conversion of references, see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2, which was concluded 18:06, 23 December 2005.

This was a kind of circumvention of an ArbCom decision. Contact an admin if you think this should have any influence on SEWilco's probation (see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2#Restrictions on SEWilco for some names of admins that applied various blocks on SEWilco since the ArbCom decision) --Francis Schonken 20:52, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge from Tack piano[edit]

Oppose merge. These are two distinct ways of altering the sound of a piano. Prepared piano is used primarily for avant-garde effect, and tack piano is used to create a honky-tonk or barroom sound (and sometimes by composers such as Lou Harrison for clarity of tone/timbre). The tack piano elements, except for the mention of it, should be moved out of prepared piano and into tack piano. Badagnani 03:50, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Tack piano is a stub. It is a way to prepare a piano. Thus, it should be merged into a section of Prepared piano until it is expanded enough to gain its own article. Hyacinth 10:03, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This expansion can be accomplished by moving tack piano elements out of prepared piano. Tack piano is not considered a form of piano preparation, as the term was construed by John Cage. Badagnani 15:45, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how any sensible definition of piano preparation could exclude putting tacks on the hammers. —Keenan Pepper 15:53, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide John Cage's original construal of the term. The wikipedia article currently disagrees with you: "A prepared piano is a piano that has had its sound altered by placing objects (preparations) between or on the strings or on the hammers or dampers." Hyacinth 10:30, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have to look that up. I should have said that tack piano is not a form of preparation used by Cage, who was the first to use the term "prepared piano." Badagnani 16:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My comment above states that tack piano should be mentioned in prepared piano. That is why I wrote "except for the mention of it." After the mention would be a wikilink to tack piano. Badagnani 16:19, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I wouldn't merge, so: oppose to put it formally. Both articles should refer to one another though (if not in the article text, at least in a "see also" section). Compare: I hope Luthéal would be a separate article soon (I made it a redirect to Tzigane (Ravel) - but that's only temporary measure, awaiting a real description of the instrument). Any help appreciated! --Francis Schonken 20:30, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've made a topic about the luthéal, but I don't know very much about it yet.Houtlijm 16:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose merge. Inserting tacks is an alteration of the instrument, not easily reversed without replacing the damaged hammers, and is not a temporary preparation. In fact I know of no work which combines the two techniques, tho in principle one could prepare a tack piano. Sparafucil 23:19, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cage may or may not have been /the/ inventor of the prepared piano, but he was certainly /an/ inventor of the concept. "Registrations" for harpsichord and piano are only "precedents" for prepared piano in the broadest sense. A registration implies something which was designed into the instrument as an integral part of the instrument; preparation involves adding material which would normally be considered extraneous to the instrument, material not specifically intended by the builder/manufacturer to be there. This is a significant difference. For example, pipe organs have hundreds of registrations, but are not normally considered "prepared" instruments; but a pipe organ in which the flue pipes in a particular rank had been temporarily filled with ping pong balls _would_ certainly be considered "prepared".

Precedent?[edit]

I question calling harpsichord and piano registrations —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.100.240.105 (talk) 06:34, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Satie[edit]

At one point this article mentioned Le piège de Méduse, whose article asserts Satie played the piano version with a piece of paper on the strings. Anyone able to find a reference? Sparafucil (talk) 05:38, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alfred Schnittke[edit]

Alfred Schnittke used prepared piano in the first and sixth sections of his Concerto Grosso No. 1 but I don't have an adequate reference for this outside of the article for the concerto itself and my own ears. 50.47.115.222 (talk) 23:10, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Friedrich Wilhelm Rust[edit]

It seems that Friedrich Wilhelm Rust prepared a piano in 1792. 2A01:CB11:6CF:BE00:1D10:D49:5133:D193 (talk) 19:02, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]