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Merge proposal: The Service for the Lord's Day[edit]

The article, The Service for the Lord's Day is written almost like a how-to guide and details a narrow, very variable part of the topic of Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.). Its contents could easily be summarized in the #Worship section of this article. Intelligentsium 22:42, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree. However, I would ask if "The Service for the Lord's Day" is similar in other Presbyterian Churches, and if it is, would it be appropriate to make the article more about Presbyterians in general? If not and then yes this should be merged with this article in my opinion. Ltwin (talk) 20:26, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
I also agree. The Service for the Lord's Day in BCW (1993) reflects the revision of the Directory for Worship, which gives the theological and structural mandates for PC(USA) congregations. If this article is to be helpful and add depth to the PC(U.S.A.) link/merger, then it needs to be less an outline and more an article on the Directory for Worship.--Cdboyd1 (talk) 00:26, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Discussion restored from Archive 2 -- Wbm1058 (talk) 16:35, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Help for Bible work[edit]

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Split out history[edit]

If we're considering the PC(USA) to have been established in 1983, then the history section shouldn't be an overview of Presbyterianism in the US. I think there should be a Presbyterianism in the United States article, so I'd like to split out most of the history material from here and just overview the events leading up to the formation of the PC(USA) here. --JFH (talk) 16:07, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

While the PC(USA) by that name did not exist until 1983, it isn't quite right that its history starts there. It is the continuation of its parent denominations. It has continued in its enumeration of the General Assemblies, for example, and keeps reporting in the minutes each GA the list of former moderators including all from the parent denominations. Furthermore, it continues to struggle with some of the same issues it has since long before 1983. The history of the parent denominations is a big part of the history of the current denomination. That said, I would welcome a Presbyterianism in the United States article, and a reference to that article would justify shortening the section here. Sterrettc (talk) 18:03, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Why not simply provide an overview of the pre-merger history and simply link to all the predecessor churches (which all have articles by the way) that way if people want to delve further into, say, the Fundamentalist-Modernist Controversy, they can link to that article as well as the Presbyterian Church in the United States of America article. All of the pre-merger bodies have articles, and all of them could use some work and expansion. Also, I think the broader article would be great, but it shouldn't just be a detailed history of PC(USA) because that is not the only strand of Presbyterianism in the US. Ltwin (talk) 08:26, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
yes the point is that the subject here is a body formed in 1983, so we only need a brief overview section, otherwise it becomes a WP: CONTENTFORK --JFH (talk) 14:44, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Notable congregation list[edit]

I just removed some congregations (unfortunately, forgot to log in) from the list of notable congregations as they lacked any citation for notability. My personal feeling is that any redlinks should be removed from that section, as it seems the only reason they're included at all is because they're on the PCUSA-published list of 15 largest congregations. Congregation size does not necessarily establish notability, unless I'm gravely mistaken. Please let me know if you disagree. Velinath (talk) 16:09, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Misleading Presentation of Presbyterian Lay Committee Links[edit]

Two links to layman.org (Presbyterian Lay Committee) are given inline in the Presbyterian_Church_(U.S.A.)#20th_century_to_the_present section, in sentences that present them as neutral sources of information: "These changes have led to several renewal movements and denominational splinters. Some conservative-minded groups in the PC(USA), such as the Confessing church movement and the Presbyterian Lay Commmittee (formed in the mid-1960s) have remained in the main body, rather than leaving to form new, break-away groups. See here for details.", where "here" links to the Presbyterian Lay Committe's own about us page. Including a link to that page may be useful, but linking to it with a mere "See here for details" does not seem like Wikipedia:NPOV. Similarly, in the Presbyterian_Church_(U.S.A.)#Breakaway_Presbyterian_denominations section, a chart from the Presbyterian Lay Committee is linked in the sentence "A chart comparing PC(USA), EPC, and ECO may be found here". The chart cites no sources and is presented with no context, but it appears to be advocacy material for ECO, not a neutral reference (example: The field addressing LGBTQ ordination is titled "Ordination only of those striving to live in obedience to Scripture and Confessional standards including: Fidelity in marriage between a man and a women or chastity in singleness". The field addressing women's ordination is titled "Ordination of women"). I'm not much of a Wikipedian or PC(USA) historian (I was reading this article to learn about PC(USA) history!), but I am hoping those of you who are more of either of those things can help resolve this. Thanks, Anonyaad (talk) 07:22, 6 July 2014 (UTC)