Talk:Pretoria Wireless Users Group

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please just give us some time to populate this page properly

please read up on the telecoms situation in South Africa - when you have to pay US$1.10 per gigabyte of internet usage you will understand why networks like these exist

why is the Athens wireless community page allowed on wikipedia but not the PTAWUG one ?

All over the world people are forming small WiFi networking groups. Some small some big. Information provided on this page will help them in their efforts to also build their own networks or expand their current networks.

The members of PTAWUG are experienced in wireless networking and had to learn most things the hard way. As the culture of the group, we beleive in all members contributing to our network by sharing the knowladge with others. In this same way we want to share our hard earned knowladge with others around the world and especially in Africa.

Isn't that what Wikipedia is all about? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.207.32.37 (talk) 09:59, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see no reason to doubt that this is a laudable and necesary project, but that doesn't mean that there needs to be a Wikipedia article about it. Sympathy for the subject of an article is not a valid reason to violate Wikipedia principles like Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and Wikipedia:Notability. This article looks like a promotional text written by an advocate or member of this group. Are you in any way affiliated with PTAWUG? If that is the case, please be aware that Wikipedia is not a free advertising space, and have a look at Wikipedia:FAQ/Business (especially the section "May I advertise my company or product on Wikipedia?", which can also be applied to noncommercial projects which might - in some vague general sense - share Wikipedia's values). Regards, HaeB (talk) 19:36, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please Explain the reason for speedy deletion

I don't see why this page qualifies for speedy deletion. Vinaduro ¤ Talk 10:14, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am honestly surprised that anyone would want too delete this page. Reading the comments and guidelines (notability guidelines) it is clear that you can argue any side of the argument. But by reading the article and understanding the significance of community projects like these, I would not want my name next to a comment motivating deletion. Just this morning I watched SKY news where they emphasized the importance of small community projects and the impact of these projects. If this group grows to a size of 20 000 users would you still so mightily advocate deletion? LouisZA 15:31 3 December 2008

see Category:Wireless_network_organizations

Let me start off by saying that I am in no way affiliated to PtaWUG or any other wireless user group.

I too am astounded that an informative page regarding the efforts of South Africans to exercise their civil liberties in a sector where unfair government intervention is well documented is up for deletion. Also, PtaWUG is not a company nor is it a commercial or non-commercial product and as such HaeB's concerns regarding advertisement are moot.

--Dreamfoundry (talk) 07:56, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion?[edit]

There are a number of reasons not to delete this page

There are quite a number of other articles on community networks from List of wireless community networks by region that have less content and are not up for deletion.
There is a definite interest in community based networks. The size of List of wireless community networks by region alone is an indication of this.

There are however quite a number of problems with the page that needs to be addressed.

A large portion of the text is written as propaganda and needs to go
..., this is a notable achievement.

...PTAWUG will be able to make a big difference in the IT development of all the developing countries in Africa.
The images need to be uploaded to commons with proper licencing
The gallery needs to go and images needs to be used where it is appropriate throughout the article

--NJR_ZA (talk) 18:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks NJR_ZA, at last some positive critizism and help improving the page, not just blindly advocating deletion. User:Protzkrog 4 Dec 2008

No problem, it might be a good idea to follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Telecommunications#Guidelines_for_authoring_articles. I've also added this article to that wikiproject. If the project members feel it does not belong they will remove it again, if not, you might find some very helpfull people commenting on ow to improve the page. --NJR_ZA (talk) 08:27, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]